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Re:Firefox is showing the way back to a world that’s private... by Nextgrid on Monday March 02, 2020 @06:51AM (#22463616)
What Mozilla is doing with Firefox regarding privacy is mostly a sham. Lots of talk but little action.

First off, if they were real about privacy they'd include uBlock Origin by default (and why not HTTPS Everywhere for good measure as well). Their current tracking "protection" is an absolute joke that explicitly whitelists Facebook and Google, the two biggest offenders when it comes to privacy: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20112398

They should also remove Google Analytics from their website, or at least the pages that the browser will automatically load on first use or after an update. While Google claims they have some special relationship with Mozilla regarding this and they won't use the data for any other purposes, it's hard to trust them - Facebook for example used to say that phone numbers would only be used for 2FA and yet somehow they ended up being used for advertising.

They should also make the telemetry opt-in instead of opt-out like it is now. Their current way of doing it might actually be in breach of the GDPR, as any non-essential data collection and processing must be opt-in.

Re:Firefox is showing the way back to a world that’s private... by ymolodtsov on Monday March 02, 2020 @09:07AM (#22464521)
Blatantly blocking Facebook and Google trackers would wreak half of the web. All embedded comments, tweets, posts – all of those things would just disappear. I use Facebook container and see how it happens but that was my conscious choice and most people want Facebook and Google in their life.
Re:Firefox is showing the way back to a world that’s private... by Nextgrid on Monday March 02, 2020 @09:26AM (#22464664)
They can block the like buttons and such (especially since the browser has built-in share buttons) while leaving the content-related resources alone.

I have all the uBlock lists enabled (social blocking, anti-facebook list, annoyances, etc) and don't notice any breakage or missing content unless I go and look for it explicitly (like blank spaces where the like buttons should've been).

Surprisingly, both Google and Facebook themselves actually seem to work fine (at least they load if I allow them on the firewall, don't have accounts to test thoroughly) so it wouldn't prevent people using the sites themselves, simply block their trash like buttons and similar garbage they polluted the web with.

Re:Firefox is showing the way back to a world that’s private... by GekkePrutser on Monday March 02, 2020 @08:44AM (#22464323)
Well, Mozilla is in a hard place. They're already losing browser marketshare, and they don't want to annoy people by breaking stuff. A lot of these people use Google and Facebook services and don't understand when these sites get broken. That'll give Firefox a bad name and hurt its marketshare even more.

uBlock origin is a third-party project they don't control so I can't blame them for not including it.

I agree about the analytics and telemetry though.

Re:Firefox is showing the way back to a world that’s private... by coribuci on Monday March 02, 2020 @09:37AM (#22464754)
> Well, Mozilla is in a hard place. They're already losing browser marketshare, and they don't want to annoy people by breaking stuff.

Well, the web was always like sw development: if it compiles - release it - and let the user test it. Mozilla ( and Chrome and ...) breaks stuff with every release. Yes, your facebook may be perfect but internet is not only google and facebook.

> uBlock origin is a third-party project they don't control so I can't blame them for not including it.

They don't include it because that will hurt they revenue. They are not "free sw" anymore. Unfortunately this seems to be a trend in open source world when a company (Hi Canonical) starts making money by selling user data(legal spyware).

> I agree about the analytics and telemetry though.

Re:Firefox is showing the way back to a world that’s private... by heartbeats on Monday March 02, 2020 @07:29AM (#22463795)
I don't see why you're getting downvoted. You're 100% right. Mozilla get money from Google and spend it on fun projects which have nothing to do with the web. This creates some very bad incentives with regard to privacy on the net. Mozilla don't seem to care about this, they just take the money and keep going.
Re:Firefox is showing the way back to a world that’s private... by terminaljunkid on Monday March 02, 2020 @09:53AM (#22464878)
Mozilla particularly has really bad suit-dominant administration. Brendan Eich is here on HN. He can explain better.
Re:Firefox is showing the way back to a world that’s private... by BrendanEich on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @06:35PM (#22489342)
I'm bound by various NDAs that do not expire upon my exit so I won't say anything that isn't already public. Sorry.
Re:Firefox is showing the way back to a world that’s private... by coribuci on Monday March 02, 2020 @09:44AM (#22464800)
> I don't see why you're getting downvoted. You're 100% right. Mozilla get money from Google and spend it on fun projects which have nothing to do with the web.

Because there are some people here which work in "user data industry".

>This creates some very bad incentives with regard to privacy on the net. Mozilla don't seem to care about this, they just take the money and keep going.

Bad for you. Good for them (for the moment). They (the people who work there) will maybe regret it. But as Stasi or NSA showed there will be no discrimination in the usage of this data.