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Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by throw0101a on Saturday February 29, 2020 @12:37PM (#22451758)
> ... and make your profits from your other businesses by being favourable to the politicians in power and get just as favourable treatment.

David Frum writing in 2017:

> The transition [in Hungary] has been nonviolent, often not even very dramatic. Opponents of the regime are not murdered or imprisoned, although many are harassed with building inspections and tax audits. […] The courts are packed, and forgiving of the regime’s allies. Friends of the government win state contracts at high prices and borrow on easy terms from the central bank. Those on the inside grow rich by favoritism; those on the outside suffer from the general deterioration of the economy. As one shrewd observer told me on a recent visit, “The benefit of controlling a modern state is less the power to persecute the innocent, more the power to protect the guilty.”

* https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/03/how-to-...

Do not let how autocracies worked in the 20th Century distract you from how they now work in the 21st. (Though no doubt there are still places where people are disappeared.)

Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by blowski on Saturday February 29, 2020 @12:50PM (#22451853)
> The benefit of controlling a modern state is less the power to persecute the innocent, more the power to protect the guilty.

I hadn't really thought of it this way, but that's a common thread through so many political problems of the last 20 years. If you can convince enough voters that immigrants are the problem and you are the solution then you can do anything you like.

Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by sdenton4 on Saturday February 29, 2020 @12:56PM (#22451882)
This is also why nativism was such a big part of fascist movements in the 20th century, too. Tell the majority that they are special, and could live happily ever after if it weren't for all those (insert boogeyman here).
Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by awb on Saturday February 29, 2020 @12:55PM (#22451878)
There was also a famous example of this in the 1930s-40s. It's been going on for a long time.
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Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by dwaltrip on Saturday February 29, 2020 @03:11PM (#22452733)
Are you seriously trying to compare illegal immigration with colonialism?
Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by asdkjh345 on Saturday February 29, 2020 @03:38PM (#22452931)
Yes. Can you explain the difference for me? The only difference I can find is that colonialism was done with the support of the people in the country, while immigration in white countries today is being done against the wishes of the people in the country.
Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by luckydata on Saturday February 29, 2020 @01:31PM (#22452080)
Well, immigrants at some point become a problem (I'm one too) especially if they compete for the same low paying positions with no safety net. If you add competition for limited resources you have a bunch of people that are worse off and it's unfair to call them racist, they are just scared and pissed off their way of life that was promised "safe" is not so safe anymore.

The question is, what are we going to do about it? If we keep ignoring the condition of the working class for too long like in this country, you get Trump and the likes.

It's an enormous failure of our political class to have ignored real issues for so long, getting it to the point where pretty much the same thing is happening all around the world, and the plutocrats and billionaires are exploiting it because they can since they have all the power.

Not even a new thing, Rage Against The Machine wrote songs about all of this 20 years ago, it's just that most people weren't paying attention.

Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by Veelox on Saturday February 29, 2020 @01:19PM (#22452007)
> If you can convince enough voters that immigrants are the problem and you are the solution then you can do anything you like.

You can do better than such a low effort swipe.

Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by leoc on Saturday February 29, 2020 @01:03PM (#22451927)
German and European Studies academic Alexander Clarkson has said that Orban's Hungary has a lot in common with Boss Tweed's Tammany Hall, not least in that the survival of Orban's rule is partly down to his willingness to play ball on Union-wide issues with "respectable" political blocs elsewhere: https://twitter.com/APHClarkson/status/1135860806141325312 https://twitter.com/APHClarkson/status/1135860966359543808 https://twitter.com/APHClarkson/status/1023633401105010688 .
Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by derefr on Saturday February 29, 2020 @12:59PM (#22451905)
> The benefit of controlling a modern state is less the power to persecute the innocent, more the power to protect the guilty.

Is there a fundamental difference between these if there are private groups guilty of persecuting the innocent, and the party in power chooses to not persecute (or prosecute) those groups?