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Re:Programmers generate every possible melody in MIDI to pre... by paulddraper on Friday February 28, 2020 @07:33AM (#22442315)
Gotta love programmers.

> So the question reduces to how much the type of compression matters here

If you compress, you can copyright the compressed bytes.

If you don't compress, you can copyright the uncompressed bytes.

As far as that copyright extending to derivations, e.g. decompressions, the answer indeed situation-dependent. For example, converting a copyrighted font from TTF to WOFF does not remove the copyright. But converting a copyrighted font from TTF to screen pixels to WOFF removes the copyright. (Sorry I don't have a reference; probably findable.)

The "self-extracting zip" derivation would probably fall into the latter category; that is, the copyright would not transfer.

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But even if the copyright were maintained during your advanced decompression, one could argue that editing down to very specific portion of that extremely large body of work was a substantive/transformational derivation, which they could then copyright themselves.

Transformative works are very common in art. The most famous example is Duchamp simply adding a mustache to a print of da Vinci's Mona Lisa, and copyrighting that. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.H.O.O.Q.

Re:Programmers generate every possible melody in MIDI to pre... by paulgb on Friday February 28, 2020 @07:55AM (#22442431)
> But converting a copyrighted font from TTF to screen pixels to WOFF removes the copyright.

I hope nobody takes this as legal advice; I'm not a lawyer but I'm fairly certain it's wrong. The font would still be the same work.

Re:Programmers generate every possible melody in MIDI to pre... by paulddraper on Friday February 28, 2020 @08:10AM (#22442498)
Alright, you made me add references :)

It comes down to this: Typefaces/glyphs are not copyrightable. The font code that produces those glyphs is.

> Typefaces cannot be protected by copyright in the United States (Code of Federal Regulations, Ch 37, Sec. 202.1(e); Eltra Corp. vs. Ringer)...However, there is a distinction between a font and a typeface. The machine code used to display a stylized typeface (called a font) is protectable as copyright. [1]

In software, a similar "black-box" derivation process has happened many times, e.g. UNIX/GNU. Copyrights applies to software source code, but not software functionality.

Determining what is the "essential, creative work" in each case in a nuanced way is a matter for courts and armies of lawyers: Apple round corners, Oracle Java APIs, etc.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_protecti...

Re:Programmers generate every possible melody in MIDI to pre... by jameshart on Friday February 28, 2020 @08:22AM (#22442562)
Presumably copyright law makes this allowance for type because the point of typefaces is to be reproduced.
Re:Programmers generate every possible melody in MIDI to pre... by paulddraper on Friday February 28, 2020 @08:26AM (#22442596)
That is in fact, the point of all digitized information, including recorded audio.

(But yes, I do agree that typefaces are exceptionally commonly distributed.)

Re:Programmers generate every possible melody in MIDI to pre... by paulgb on Friday February 28, 2020 @08:26AM (#22442591)
Thanks for supporting your point :) I have to admit that the difference in copyrightability of fonts vs. typefaces is new to me.
Re:Programmers generate every possible melody in MIDI to pre... by paulddraper on Friday February 28, 2020 @09:08AM (#22442833)
Now at least the inane font-vs-typeface distinction made by modern designers has some practical distinction to it, albeit a legal one.
Re:Programmers generate every possible melody in MIDI to pre... by ratmice on Friday February 28, 2020 @08:49AM (#22442719)
This is true of fonts, as per the copyright office's "Policy decision on copyrightability of digitized typefaces".

However the example here, and the situation with fonts seem different. It is the case that font data is viewed as utilitarian and uncopyrightable. So we have a copyrightable program, producing uncopyrightable data. The argument here seems that we have a copyrightable program producing copyrightable data.

Re:Programmers generate every possible melody in MIDI to pre... by Leszek on Friday February 28, 2020 @07:35AM (#22442332)
Is uncompression a derivation?
Re:Programmers generate every possible melody in MIDI to pre... by paulddraper on Friday February 28, 2020 @07:59AM (#22442447)
I updated my comment to make this more clear. tl;dr depends.