Nim Community Survey 2019 Results

Re:Nim Community Survey 2019 Results by ac29 on Sunday February 23, 2020 @06:18PM (#22400270)

I think it needs a "killer library". The core language is pretty easy to learn if you've used Python, but there aren't a ton of third party libraries, and the ones that do exist seem to be incomplete, poorly documented, buggy, abandoned, or some combination thereof.

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Re:Nim Community Survey 2019 Results by blackrock on Monday February 24, 2020 @12:44AM (#22401953)

I got annoyed when it didn’t have a decent standard library to handle command line flags and arguments.

The examples given so far, are mediocre.

parseopt is incredibly cumbersome.

docopt is an incredibly poor design, that I can’t believe anyone thought this was a good idea.

And failing to have such basic libraries, I realized, this language has a long way to go.

I contemplated building my own library to handle such a need, but why, this doesn’t solve my problem of building something. And if it’s missing such basic libraries, then what else is it missing? The odds were too great, and too risky for me to commit my time to it.

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Re:Nim Community Survey 2019 Results by pathsjs on Monday February 24, 2020 @02:05AM (#22402204)

There are many libraries for that, but I suggest cligen. It is the simplest command line parser I have found across all programming languages.

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Re:Nim Community Survey 2019 Results by s_gourichon on Monday February 24, 2020 @03:05AM (#22402429)

What if the Nim maintainers made some kind of continuous popularity measurement to let good libraries bubble up? Opens other problems I know, but may fix such scenario and accelerate Nim adoption?

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Re:Nim Community Survey 2019 Results by pathsjs on Monday February 24, 2020 @03:15AM (#22402465)

There was an attempt a few months ago, but it was a little weird. But if you just want to find libraries relevant for your task (e.g. parsing the command line), there is https://nimble.directory where all Nim libraries are listed

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Re:Nim Community Survey 2019 Results by greggirwin on Monday February 24, 2020 @07:57PM (#22410006)

I hadn't seen docopt before, but am curious why you think it's such a bad design.

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Re:Nim Community Survey 2019 Results by alehander42 on Monday February 24, 2020 @05:55AM (#22403048)

you can try cligen and then argparse https://github.com/iffy/nim-argparse

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Re:Nim Community Survey 2019 Results by gameswithgo on Sunday February 23, 2020 @06:37PM (#22400360)

making clones of the top 50 python libraries would make it attractive. familiar syntax! way more speed!

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Re:Nim Community Survey 2019 Results by Random_ernest on Sunday February 23, 2020 @07:28PM (#22400595)

Many of the top 50 python libraries are wrapping a lot of code that is actually c, c++ or fortran. So I doubt that there is a lot of performance to be gained. Numpy is a good examples for that.

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Re:Nim Community Survey 2019 Results by gameswithgo on Sunday February 23, 2020 @08:56PM (#22401003)

I have applied for a job at a company where they were switching from Python to Rust, because even though they were using Numpy, there was a lot of overhead in setting the data up to send to Numpy.

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Re:Nim Community Survey 2019 Results by airstrike on Sunday February 23, 2020 @08:57PM (#22401008)

It's not those libraries' performances, but allowing people to port their own code with less friction for a presumed gain in performance.

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Re:Nim Community Survey 2019 Results by sergiotapia on Sunday February 23, 2020 @11:36PM (#22401680)

How would one find these "top 50 python libraries" list?

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Re:Nim Community Survey 2019 Results by shimst3r on Monday February 24, 2020 @01:23AM (#22402076)

I’d suggest based on PyPI download numbers, see https://hugovk.github.io/top-pypi-packages/

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Re:Nim Community Survey 2019 Results by greggirwin on Monday February 24, 2020 @07:45PM (#22409934)

https://libraries.io/ ?

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Re:Nim Community Survey 2019 Results by staticassertion on Sunday February 23, 2020 @06:50PM (#22400427)

This would be super compelling.

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Re:Nim Community Survey 2019 Results by beagle3 on Monday February 24, 2020 @02:26AM (#22402268)

I'll place my chips on mratism (Arraymancer, Weave, Laser) being the killer librarian. But it will take a decade or two to unseat Python.

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