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Re:Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering... by PragmaticPulp on Saturday February 22, 2020 @05:29PM (#22393781)
> I don't have a better way of doing things

This is my least favorite part about discussing interview techniques.

It's taboo to say anything other than "interviews are broken", as if there is some alternative perfect practice that companies are voluntarily choosing not to use.

If no one, including the author of the linked article, can think of anything better, doesn't that mean that companies are already using optimal practices? At least from our current knowledge of interviewing practices. I always have my eyes open for new research, new suggestions, and new trends, but it's getting old to hear the constant chorus of "interviewing is broken" with zero attempt to suggest improvements.

That doesn't mean current practices are perfect or that we should stop trying to improve them, of course. It does feel a bit like politicians going on record saying that they're "deeply troubled" by something without proposing alternatives, though. It's the safe thing to say.

Re:Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering... by m4x on Saturday February 22, 2020 @06:54PM (#22394147)
> If no one, including the author of the linked article, can think of anything better, doesn't that mean that companies are already using optimal practices?

Not necessarily, it might just mean that the more optimal approaches are not obvious. It seems extremely unlikely that the current approach is optimal.

Re:Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering... by dahfizz on Saturday February 22, 2020 @09:16PM (#22394656)
You seemed to miss GP's very next sentence:

>At least from our current knowledge of interviewing practices

Re:Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering... by wbl on Saturday February 22, 2020 @06:35PM (#22394081)
You can test skills relevant to the job. If you're mostly doing js /css do that, not algorithms questions.
Re:Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering... by dahfizz on Saturday February 22, 2020 @09:19PM (#22394665)
The idea that JS developers don't do anything that needs algorithm knowledge is funny to me.
Re:Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering... by wbl on Saturday February 22, 2020 @09:40PM (#22394738)
Frontend isn't going to require you to use union find and when it does you can look it up.
Re:Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering... by TeMPOraL on Sunday February 23, 2020 @03:31AM (#22395780)
That would be true if frontend people were just doing webpage styling, and not web applications that often don't even have a backend.
Re:Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering... by hakfoo on Saturday February 22, 2020 @07:27PM (#22394285)
I wonder if a sensible option might be short term contract-to-hire scenarios.

You have three promising candidates? Instead of trying to extract signal from gimmick interview tactics, hire them all and put them on a 3-month contract with the opportunity to renew to full time. Then you're giving them real weork instead of easily crammed questions, and remove some of the anxiety affecting interview performance.

Re:Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering... by frosted-flakes on Saturday February 22, 2020 @07:38PM (#22394328)
That would make switching jobs really hard, effectively making the interview process three months long. Only now, candidates have to quit their current job before they can interview, and if the first "contract" doesn't end in a job offer, the candidate no longer has a job.
Re:Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering... by numpad0 on Saturday February 22, 2020 @08:20PM (#22394489)
Then you just set up your business so 90% of your company is filled with said 3-month workers at minimum wages.

There’ll be no shortages of applicants for quite some time but really destroys the society. So no.

No unless I’m guaranteed that upper echelon slot to judge them — no I wouldn’t want to live in a society like that.

Re:Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering... by SlavikCA on Saturday February 22, 2020 @09:00PM (#22394597)
If I employed fulltime now, then I'm unlikely to consider switching to 3 months contract.

On the other hand, I think it may be a good idea for the company to consider:

- either hire fulltime somebody, who has solid track record and "prooved" themself during on interview

OR

- offer 3 months contract to someone, who is not that good at passing interviews, so they can prove themself doing real work.

Re:Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering... by bigtunacan on Saturday February 22, 2020 @08:29PM (#22394516)
That would be fine for new college graduates and other unemployed developers, not so well at attracting talent that already has steady employment.
Re:Follow-up to “The dystopian world of software engineering... by perl4ever on Sunday February 23, 2020 @09:42AM (#22397013)
If you have a steady job, then there may not be as much social utility in optimizing things for your situation.