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Re:Breaking the Salary Sharing Taboo by ChuckNorris89 on Saturday February 22, 2020 @06:19AM (#22390441)
> people hesitate (and with reason) to share their salary, in case it is too low.

Or in the case of Europe, if it's too high. Most youths here are very left leaning and don't like high earners so if you work in tech and want to make friends outside of tech you'd better not mention salaries.

Re:Breaking the Salary Sharing Taboo by cosmodisk on Saturday February 22, 2020 @06:53AM (#22390556)
I wouldn't want to be friends with anyone who gets upset because of my income or title. My salary is modest in terms of what I do, however compared to many other fields, it's pretty darn good. So if'd talk to someone who works in tech, they'd puzzled why I don't try to get a better paying job,while people in other fields would tell me how lucky I am compared to them.
Re:Breaking the Salary Sharing Taboo by belval on Saturday February 22, 2020 @07:55AM (#22390749)
From experience, it's not that they get upset as much as they will come back to it in random conversation about how they should earn a similar salary because "Do X and it's much harder!".
Re:Breaking the Salary Sharing Taboo by ChuckNorris89 on Saturday February 22, 2020 @09:04AM (#22391068)
Or if you ever mention how stressed and overworked you are they'll chime in with how you shouldn't complain since you're well paid.
Re:Breaking the Salary Sharing Taboo by undreren on Saturday February 22, 2020 @09:08AM (#22391080)
Oh really? I often mention my salary when relevant, and I have never experienced any negativity.
Re:Breaking the Salary Sharing Taboo by blarghaswell on Saturday February 22, 2020 @02:16PM (#22392730)
How much is it? If you don't want to say that (I wouldn't), how many multiples is it of the salaries of the people you're mentioning it to?
Re:Breaking the Salary Sharing Taboo by undreren on Sunday February 23, 2020 @03:46AM (#22395822)
Two, but sometimes closer to three.
Re:Breaking the Salary Sharing Taboo by BlargMcLarg on Saturday February 22, 2020 @08:44AM (#22390947)
>Most youths here are very left leaning and don't like high earners

Its not just youth or politics. Its mostly culture and unwillingness to deviate from it, coupled with some strong expectations. People "expect" managers to be paid well, doctors to be paid well, etc, so they don't get angry at these people for getting paid well. On a smaller scale, only if you start deviating from the norm do people make mention or get angry, because a large part of Europe still solemnly believes in Calvinism (especially the Netherlands).

You end up with a risk-averse, middle-of-the-road populace where everything different from the status quo is quickly snuffed out and most stars only get to shine if they are lucky or working for an American megacorp, where excellence is valued more (with its own set of problems). I'd figure that has to do with our lack of a Silicon Valley equivalent as well.

Re:Breaking the Salary Sharing Taboo by blarghaswell on Saturday February 22, 2020 @02:14PM (#22392715)
Comments like this from ambitious Europeans appear so often that I can't help but feel the US is still in a relatively strong position despite the mess of a clusterfuck it feels like from the inside.
Re:Breaking the Salary Sharing Taboo by nicoburns on Saturday February 22, 2020 @02:53PM (#22392943)
For what it's worth, I'm a software developer (in europe), and I think I definitely get paid too much, relative to the value I contribute to society. I could get paid even more if I will willing to go and work for EvilCorp.

I don't think this jas anything to do with cultural norms (trust me, I don't conform to many of them). It has to do with fairness, and our broken economic system rewarding the wrong things.

Re:Breaking the Salary Sharing Taboo by flyinglizard on Saturday February 22, 2020 @03:53PM (#22393256)
Doesn’t society put its own value on your work by sustaining the mechanism which keeps paying you? If anything, most likely than not you are paid too little as people rarely maximize their negotiating leverage.
Re:Breaking the Salary Sharing Taboo by nicoburns on Sunday February 23, 2020 @08:07AM (#22396663)
> Doesn’t society put its own value on your work by sustaining the mechanism which keeps paying you?

Well sure, but the power that sustains that mechanism is very unevenly distributed, and skewed towards the people it benefits. Most people have little choice but to go along with it in their day to day lives.

> If anything, most likely than not you are paid too little as people rarely maximize their negotiating leverage.

You mean, most likely I could be paid more. This is probably true. But it is not at all the same as deserving that pay.

If you take supply and demand as your moral system, then you can justify all sorts of immoralities, after all I have no doubt that there would be plenty of demand for assassins. As a society we choose to disincentivise assassination because we believe that we know better than the market. We can, do and should do the same for economic activity. And just because the status quo incentivises things in a certain way doesn't make it right.

Re:Breaking the Salary Sharing Taboo by e12e on Saturday February 22, 2020 @04:16PM (#22393376)
I'm sad that Norway stopped publishing all tax return lists (ie, taxable income).

The information is still available, but rate limited, and the person you look up will get a notification. So you can still look up last year's tax return of the person offering you a job - but that person might take offense.

That said, there are a couple of good reasons for the change; digital publication is qualitatively different from having to go down to the city administration to look up the numbers on paper - among other things it makes collecting/checking date of birth trivial (it's part of the dataset - which is municipality of residence, full name and dob).