Re:Discord is not an acceptable choice for free software pro...
by theamk on Friday February 21, 2020 @03:33PM
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Google Chrome and Firefox (on windows) do the same, via auto update mechanism. Would you call it a RAT?
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Re:Discord is not an acceptable choice for free software pro...
by dTal on Friday February 21, 2020 @04:47PM
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I feel as if there is a meaningful distinction to be made between a program that occasionally downloads binary patches to itself (and will run fine without it), and a program that gratuitously downloads scripts every time it is run, runs them directly from ram so that they can't be audited, and refuses to run if it is not allowed to do this.
Re:Discord is not an acceptable choice for free software pro...
by freddie_mercury on Friday February 21, 2020 @07:05PM
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So if you're running Chrome/Firefox dev-channel then they're a RAT? Or is twice a week not enough to trigger your threshold? What about the canaries that are updated daily? What about betas that are updated every week?
I'm not sure how you come up with a good distinction.
Re:Discord is not an acceptable choice for free software pro...
by gruez on Friday February 21, 2020 @08:28PM
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>So if you're running Chrome/Firefox dev-channel then they're a RAT?
No, because it's opt-in and it's explicitly needed for the purposes of a dev/nightly build. This is as opposed to a voip client which needs unrestricted access because... they want to be able to run A/B tests on uninformed subjects?
Re:Discord is not an acceptable choice for free software pro...
by adisinom on Friday February 21, 2020 @07:19PM
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One other distinction to make is that auto-update typically runs the same code on a lot of computers, rather than a RAT which is good at running code on a specific computer.
There's still room for problems... the auto-update could deliver a special version for special people or deliver a version that has special code targeted at run-time, but it's not as easy. And I'd love to see work on minimizing problematic updates as well.