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Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by kick on Thursday February 20, 2020 @12:22PM (#22376694)
They should have lesser, though still real, baggage attached to them. There are definitely a few types of people in computer science who refuse to touch FAANG employees, but it's not as widespread as I wish it were.
Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by justinclift on Thursday February 20, 2020 @12:29PM (#22376747)
Why should they have lesser baggage attached to them?
Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by kick on Thursday February 20, 2020 @12:42PM (#22376856)
NSA is unambiguously doing worse things than any FAANG or adtech company could do in their wildest wet dreams.

"NSA staff used spy tools on spouses, ex-lovers"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-surveillance-watchdog...

Optic Nerve ("GCHQ" in title is misleading because the NSA played a very enthusiastic helping role in it):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optic_Nerve_(GCHQ)

ECHELON:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

There's so much they're responsible for that it seems like it'd be excessive to post all of them, and HN has a character limit, anyway. Even the most well-known ones would fill a couple of comments.

Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by justinclift on Thursday February 20, 2020 @12:53PM (#22376964)
Agreed, corrupt(ed) NSA people can do very bad stuff to targeted individuals.

However, adtech companies damage everyone, and fairly significantly. eg concentration problems, addictive behaviours, etc.

That's literally "human race" level damage.

Doesn't seem like a lesser thing to me. :/

Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by kick on Thursday February 20, 2020 @01:12PM (#22377159)
Targeted individuals?

They, for years until it was leaked, "targeted" every phone call in the United States:

https://gizmodo.com/this-government-phone-tapping-thing-just...

And 125,000,000,000 globally, along with almost a hundred billion internet requests per month in a time when the Internet was much smaller, years ago, under a program that hasn't stopped:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundless_Informant

This definitely damages everyone, and I think more fundamentally than adtech companies. You can escape adtech companies: use different websites, install an adblocker, block trackers, whatever. There's no obvious way outside of strong encryption and hermitry to avoid NSA getting its paws on every single public or private communication you ever make, given their record. When privacy doesn't and cannot exist, human behavior changes deeply. I think it's the greater of two evils.

Adtech companies definitely aren't good, by any stretch, but I think it's the difference between Ghengis Khan and a common killer: sure, they both want to kill you, but the scale and the level of cruelty is much different.

Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by JohnFen on Thursday February 20, 2020 @02:59PM (#22378029)
If different groups all operate in a way that is unacceptable, then it doesn't really matter (in practical terms) which group is worse than the other.
Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by kick on Thursday February 20, 2020 @03:29PM (#22378278)
Sure, but if one group is operating in an unacceptable fashion along the lines of "We're stealing candy from babies!" and the other is "We're not only a risk to your business, your customers, and you, but also to the entire world, and also we have actually pretty legitimate ties to murder and also coups and also maybe war crimes a little," the first is child's play in comparison.