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Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by save_ferris on Thursday February 20, 2020 @11:50AM (#22376401)
I’ve met several ex-NSAers that used their time there to build their brand successfully.

At the end of the day, the dragnet surveillance decisions came from the highest levels of the Bush and Obama administrations, not the boots on the ground.

Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by whatshisface on Thursday February 20, 2020 @12:05PM (#22376521)
"I was just following orders," is not an excuse with a precedent of being accepted.
Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by gruez on Thursday February 20, 2020 @01:20PM (#22377217)
It works as long as the current regime isn't overthrown or your country gets occupied.
Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by austhrow743 on Thursday February 20, 2020 @11:22PM (#22380932)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders

"Historically, the plea of superior orders has been used both before and after the Nuremberg Trials, with a notable lack of consistency in various rulings."

Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by sdinsn on Thursday February 20, 2020 @08:20PM (#22380194)
No, the point is that the average NSA employee was not involved in dragnet at any capacity.
Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by fiblye on Thursday February 20, 2020 @09:12PM (#22380419)
Most people who were members of socially bad organizations throughout history weren't bad people or doing bad things, but willingly joining and serving a support role for such an organization is itself morally dubious. It's actively helping enable their activities.

For example, if someone got a job on a shark finning boat maintaining the knives, they're still complicit in shark finning even if they're never touched or seen a shark in their life.

And even if their actual role was spying on and helping detain Americans for arbitrary reasons, nobody's going to slap that on their resume. They'd say they were a data aggregating administrative officer.

Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by philosopher1234 on Thursday February 20, 2020 @02:52PM (#22377971)
Surveiling the population is not equivalent to genocide
Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by Dahoon on Friday February 21, 2020 @07:31AM (#22382599)
No but it makes it easier if it comes to that.
Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by zionic on Thursday February 20, 2020 @12:35PM (#22376802)
If I see NSA on a resume, it's going in the trash. Just being honest.
Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by kalberg6429 on Thursday February 20, 2020 @03:02PM (#22378060)
As an outsider to the US, I expected a job for the NSA to be seen as respectable. Quite surprised that it seems to be quite the opposite.
Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by catalogia on Thursday February 20, 2020 @07:01PM (#22379791)
> "As an outsider to the US, I expected a job for the NSA to be seen as respectable."

Why should we respect those that spy on us? Would you expect Germans respect the Stasi?

Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by sgift on Friday February 21, 2020 @06:25AM (#22382390)
Google, Facebook, ... every time we talk about these things the US position seems to be Germans are privacy nuts. It shouldn't be surprising that we think people in the US don't see privacy invasions as a serious problem / accept them in the name of a "higher purpose".
Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by Dahoon on Friday February 21, 2020 @07:34AM (#22382620)
>As an outsider to the US, I expected a job for the NSA to be seen as respectable

I think that has a lot to do about which social circles you move in. If I saw NSA on a CV I would throw it in the trash.

Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by sdinsn on Thursday February 20, 2020 @08:21PM (#22380203)
It is perfectly respectable to most people, not the loud few commenters you find in this thread.
Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by HashThis on Thursday February 20, 2020 @05:48PM (#22379350)
"German Stasi is on my CV, because I worked there. I was just following orders."
Re:A group of ex-NSA and Amazon engineers are building a ‘Gi... by JohnFen on Thursday February 20, 2020 @05:01PM (#22379073)
> not the boots on the ground

True, but the "boots on the ground" are OK with it enough to go along with it. Their hands may not be quite as dirty, but they certainly aren't clean.