"only heat pumps can be more efficient"
Exactly. And if you have a whole house/apartment electric heating system it is very likely that it is in fact heat pump based. So you are better off using that for heat than the lights.
If your whole house/apartment heating system is gas or oil based, that will probably be even cheaper than the heat pump electric version.
Re:Teardown of a $1.25 LED Lightbulb
by ubercow13 on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @05:28PM
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>if you have a whole house/apartment electric heating system it is very likely that it is in fact heat pump based
Hmm, where? I have never knowingly been in a house with a heat pump in the UK, and lots of cheaper flats have electric radiators and immersion heaters.
Re:Teardown of a $1.25 LED Lightbulb
by BlueTemplar on Saturday February 22, 2020 @08:46AM
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Finite fossil fuels... which might not even be "environmentally cheaper" in the long run...
Re:Teardown of a $1.25 LED Lightbulb
by quietbritishjim on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @02:19PM
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Not quite – some energy was lost converting from its source form to electricity. If you heat your house by directly burning natural gas (the most common way in cool countries like the UK) then it can still have an efficiency advantage over converting electricity to heat.
Re:Teardown of a $1.25 LED Lightbulb
by BlueTemplar on Saturday February 22, 2020 @08:47AM
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The fossil fuel infrastructure (even disregarding extraction), is not zero cost either.
Re:Teardown of a $1.25 LED Lightbulb
by tomatocracy on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @01:28PM
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This is true but - especially if your house is not well insulated - getting heat in the right place matters too - most people don't need to heat their roofs or ceiling spaces. There's also a more minor point on time of day you want heat or not.
Re:Teardown of a $1.25 LED Lightbulb
by BlueTemplar on Saturday February 22, 2020 @08:49AM
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Well, hot air tends to rise anyway.
Anyway, my point is that the inefficiency lost to "waste heat" is not 100% waste.
Re:Teardown of a $1.25 LED Lightbulb
by TheCoelacanth on Thursday February 20, 2020 @10:58AM
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The only thing that can be more efficient is one of the most common forms of heating devices.
During the summer, it's also extra inefficient to pump 100W into a device producing heat and then pump even more power somewhere else to cool down the room.
Re:Teardown of a $1.25 LED Lightbulb
by BlueTemplar on Saturday February 22, 2020 @08:50AM
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There's a lot more people that use heating than cooling (in Western countries at least).
Re:Teardown of a $1.25 LED Lightbulb
by tonyedgecombe on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @02:15PM
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Although heating with gas will produce different amounts of CO2 than heating with electricity.
“efficiency” is meaningless when heat is desired. if you pump 100W into a device, and it “wastes” all that power, you have successfully generated 100W of heat. only heat pumps can be more efficient.