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Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by sebazzz on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @10:14AM (#22366140)
We shouldn't be surprised. The whole TLD debacle has been a bit cash grab, which hasn't been beneficial to anyone but a few. Take the subsequent acquired domain of ".dev" by Google for instance, which then reserved it for internal usage only.
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by jerf on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @10:33AM (#22366338)
Well, I will say this about the TLD "debacle", when I recently went looking for a domain name made out of real words, but not in what you'd call the "A list" (i.e., not "drugs.com" or "money.com"), they have at least made it ineffectual now for squatters to squat on everything across all the useful TLDs. Someone wanted a couple $K for the .com variant but there were several other useful variants completely unregistered.
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by JMTQp8lwXL on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @11:11AM (#22366790)
Does anyone actually use or go to services on super-generic TLDs like that? I can't think of any billion-dollar businesses that exist at <genericword>.com. I can't imagine they're as valuable as people make them out to be, because businesses have brands that aren't generic words like "money" or "drugs". There's "amazon" but the business has nothing do with rainforests, so it's not like they're benefitting from traffic from people wishing to learn about the rainforest (much like we might imagine money.com would offer a financial service, or drugs.com pharmaceuticals).
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by Wowfunhappy on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @11:15AM (#22366831)
> Does anyone actually use or go to services on super-generic TLDs like that?

Well, I occasionally read CNET, which has the domain "news.com".

But, the fact that domain points to CNET rather than something more well-known (and general-interest) is itself great evidence of the unimportance of general domains.

Also, CBS Interactive bought CNET more than a decade ago, and the news.com domain with it. CBS has kept the domain pointed to CNET rather than, say, having it point to cbsnews.com.

Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by jannes on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @12:40PM (#22367872)
The only one that comes to mind is booking.com.

facebook.com maybe as well although it has given the word a new meaning.

Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by GFischer on Friday February 21, 2020 @02:49PM (#22386138)
I work for the owners of vacation.com , but to be honest the owners have never managed to leverage the domain into a great funnel. They're a multibillion dollar business but not thanks to the domain name.
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by alasdair_ on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @02:24PM (#22369048)
I’m still waiting for the $45 million spent on color.com and colour.com to pay off...
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by JohnFen on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @03:30PM (#22369722)
> Does anyone actually use or go to services on super-generic TLDs like that?

I don't, because those names are almost always used by major corporations and the like, and I almost never am interested those websites.

Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by toyg on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @08:18PM (#22371922)
DIY.com is the website for B&Q, the largest UK retailer of diy tools, turnover £4bn (owned by Kingfisher).
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by rascul on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @05:32PM (#22370819)
weather.com
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by colejohnson66 on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @04:04PM (#22370029)
Disney still uses go.com
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by JMTQp8lwXL on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @07:03PM (#22371510)
Go.com has basically the same header as disney.com, and the main body content is just a list of web assets owned by Disney-- surprised to see FiveThirtyEight listed next to more traditional Disney content, didn't feel very cohesive. I would speculate this site doesn't get a ton of traffic since A/B testing could likely yield a higher level of conversion for whatever they're trying to achieve here.
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by kick on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @02:25PM (#22369060)
pets.com
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by JMTQp8lwXL on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @07:16PM (#22371594)
Redirects to a major retailer for pet and animal products.
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by kick on Thursday February 20, 2020 @01:42AM (#22373168)
Am I really getting old enough to where modern developers know nothing about the dot com crash?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pets.com

Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by JMTQp8lwXL on Thursday February 20, 2020 @12:26PM (#22376725)
Ha, I know that. But my point is, you don't see petsmart.com 302'ing to pets.com. You see the opposite. Which furthers the point that <genericword>.com's aren't that valuable. Since Pets.com didn't last all that long, it might not be fair to characterize it's short-term existence and high-market value as a sustaining, legitimate billion-dollar business.
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by JohnFen on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @03:28PM (#22369705)
> Someone wanted a couple $K for the .com variant but there were several other useful variants completely unregistered.

Probably because those extended TLDs are shunned by many users. I know that I tend to avoid sites that use them, because such sites tend to be ones that I prefer to avoid.

There are a few such sites that I'm comfortable with, of course, but those TLDs are a bit of a red flag and sight unseen, I assume they're not for me.

Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by packetlost on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @10:24AM (#22366237)
.dev is available for public registration... I have one.
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by echelon on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @10:58AM (#22366620)
"vanity" domains are $200/yr or more

Including "{firstname}.dev"

Nonsense.

If Google's worried about domain squatters, it controls the TLD rules and can come up with a less moneygrab strategy. Perhaps require a Github account and limit to one domain per customer?

FCFS is fairer than extortion.

Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by kick on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @03:02PM (#22369451)
require a GitHub account

You do know that there are devs that prefer other code hosting platforms, right? GitHub is a proprietary service that's generally terrible for developers.

Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by echelon on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @08:26PM (#22371971)
> GitHub is a proprietary service that's generally terrible for developers.

In what way? I find it incredibly awesome.

Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by Buttons840 on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @11:43AM (#22367196)
I paid $12 for my .dev domain. I bought it from Google.
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by TheFiend7 on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @12:33PM (#22367769)
Domain names are not one time purchases? Secondly are you referring to monthly or yearly? They sometimes do flash deals which might be why you got it for one year at that price (assuming you paid that yearly). But the discounts usually don't last forever.
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by zenexer on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @05:50PM (#22370956)
You’re probably thinking of premium domains. Most ngTLDs charge more for high-value names to mitigate squatting—and to take a larger piece of the pie.
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by Buttons840 on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @12:51PM (#22368000)
It was for one year. I just checked and it is set for auto renewal in November and will cost another $12 for another year. It is a 6 letter domain.
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by top_kekeroni_m8 on Thursday February 20, 2020 @06:53AM (#22374403)
Button.dev? ;)
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by berdon on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @03:26PM (#22369682)
As other commenters have said, they're $12/yr.
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by echelon on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @08:32PM (#22371993)
Not all of them.

https://support.google.com/domains/answer/6010092#registry

I just checked my Google Domains account, and my .dev domain renews for "$180 plus tax".

The pricing is entirely opaque and you can't find it listed anywhere, but I did find a comment from HN last year that listed several examples:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19201073

Some names cost even more than the $200 I initially cited!

Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by JohnFen on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @03:32PM (#22369743)
> require a Github account

That requirement would exclude most developers, including myself.

Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by techsupporter on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @11:57AM (#22367362)
Ah, how quickly the Internet forgets. .dev wasn’t going to be open for the rest of us originally; Google bought it as an internal name to keep private but relented a few years later.

> The web ad giant is keeping these domains "completely closed for the sole use of Google," as its paperwork filed[0] for .dev reads.

> Why not also share the wealth of .dev with developers? Well, in a word: branding. Google's successful application for .dev reads: "The proposed gTLD will provide Google with direct association to the term 'dev', which is an abbreviation of the word 'development'. The mission of this gTLD, .dev, is to provide a dedicated domain space in which Google can enact second-level domains specific to its projects in development."

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/13/google_developer_gt...

0 - https://gtldresult.icann.org/applicationstatus/applicationde...

Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by ivalm on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @12:57PM (#22368086)
Sure, but google shouldn't be able to get a generic gTLD like this. Why is google's interest in owning "dev" more valuable than everyone else's?
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by techsupporter on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @01:59PM (#22368792)
Agreed; that's what GP was getting at and people were refuting the claim with "but I have registered a .dev domain." For three-ish years, Google was hoarding it and the Internet pushed back and Google relented for some unknown reason (I hope due to the pushback but I'm not counting on it).
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by aaronchall on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @10:41AM (#22366432)
Ditto.
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by lancepioch on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @03:55PM (#22369950)
Excluding CCTLD's, I don't think there should be private TLD's. Restrictions are fine (such as .museum for example).
Re:Internet Society told to halt .org sale by its own adviso... by alasdair_ on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @02:22PM (#22369022)
I worked for a company that is not google, yet has its own .dev domain.