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Re:Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartex... by lpilot on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @02:35AM (#22354190)
Santander in the UK does this too. You can tell because they only ask for 3 characters out of your password whenever you log in. What's ironic is that whoever did that propably thought they were being super clever.
Re:Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartex... by easytiger on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @06:21AM (#22355132)
The screen they are looking at isn't showing them all the numbers. Though it isn't fantastic as a security measure i admit.
Re:Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartex... by deforciant on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @06:07AM (#22355083)
Other banks in UK do that as well, shouldn't they all be reported for this?
Re:Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartex... by daveoc64 on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @08:47AM (#22355997)
To whom, and on what basis?

There is nothing in UK law that says banks have to store your passwords "securely".

Issues like this have been raised in the past, and authorities like the ICO have said no law is being broken. GDPR, for example, does not specify technical mechanisms required to store any form of data.

Re:Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartex... by Recursing on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @10:50AM (#22356867)
Re:Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartex... by daveoc64 on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @11:12AM (#22357048)
Unfortunately, they are still non-committal on what is required. They advise that passwords should be hashed, but there is nothing that makes that a binding requirement.

The gist is still "do what you think is appropriate".

The ICO talks about balancing risks and convenience, and the banks will argue that their systems are secure overall, and don't make the consumer liable anyway.

Under the ICO's guidance, an organisation could argue that plain text (or reversibly encrypted) passwords allow them to do things like password reminders.

You or I might think that's terrible, but they can argue that it's a better user experience.

Re:Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartex... by Recursing on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @11:42AM (#22357305)
Are you sure? What about the fines they're already giving? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18531588
Re:Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartex... by daveoc64 on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @03:54PM (#22360305)
That's in Germany. It's up to the regulator in each country to enforce the rules.

The ICO has a reputation for being toothless.

Re:Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartex... by chrismatheson on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @07:53AM (#22355620)
Is it not possible to verify positional characters without storing in plain text ?

off the top of my head, something like storing your full password salted + hashed along side each char salted + hashed.

Re:Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartex... by benmmurphy on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @08:25AM (#22355836)
If you store an individual character hashed then it is trivial to brute force it. I don't think there is a bcrypt work factor that you could use that would prevent brute forcing but would allow the individual character to be used for authentication.
Re:Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartex... by mrfredward on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @09:00AM (#22356078)
And if you know the first character of a two character password, it's trivial to brute force the second, and so on...
Re:Ask HN: A major USA bank is storing passwords in cleartex... by chrismatheson on Thursday February 20, 2020 @07:15AM (#22374499)
i would definitely expect it to be less secure, but not exactly plain text?