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Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by LeifCarrotson on Monday February 17, 2020 @08:53PM (#22352758)
You're missing my point completely.

When the complex system of people and laws and org charts and incentives and procedures that is the organism known as Google makes a decision, whether or not a particular decision is virtuous or not is insignificant.

Even if it was, trying to change their behavior through occasional social interaction is as unlikely to make Google provide good customer service as brushing your teeth without water is unlikely to fix California central valley aquifer depletion. There's a system that rewards Google with billions of dollars and a system that sprays water into the desert that you're fighting against. Ignoring that system, and advocating that people pour emotional effort into ineffective responses, is so unhelpful as to be counterproductive.

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by goatinaboat on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @03:27AM (#22354390)
and incentives and procedures that is the organism known as Google makes a decision, whether or not a particular decision is virtuous or not is insignificant.

True but you can influence an organism by influencing its cells too. Think global, act local.

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by dmix on Monday February 17, 2020 @10:58PM (#22353336)
It’d be nice if the anti trust people in the US looked into this as a factor. Anti consumer behaviour, not even non-customers as the usual case, but their own customers are being exploited by their monopolistic hold on ad publishers.
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by mceachen on Monday February 17, 2020 @09:07PM (#22352830)
Individual contributors at Google are not making these decisions. It's the CEO and upper management that decide not to fund customer support teams and to adopt morally dubious policies.
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by luckylion on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @02:54AM (#22354257)
The individual contributors are part of it though. If they walk and cannot be replaced, policies have to change. They are pretty much the best pressure point there is to get Google to move on something if you're not representing a large amount of shares.
Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by Draiken on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @05:52AM (#22355020)
> Walk and cannot be replaced

We live in a world where 99.9999999999999% of people are completely replaceable. Specially for a trillion dollar company.

Unfortunately that stance is naive in my opinion.

Re:Pay up or we’ll make Google ban your ads by luckylion on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @07:54AM (#22355627)
Sure, but if you subscribe to the idea that Google is hiring "the best and the brightest" and couldn't pull off a lot of the hard tech if they just had five times the number of average CS majors, that situation changes very quickly, because the pool of people to replace them from shrinks dramatically.

It's not that they couldn't replace them, it's just a lot cheaper to change some policies. If you're threatened with half your R&D staff walking out over some project in China, how hard is that decision, really?

Imho, the problem is that Googlers are paid a lot of money to not care, and that works pretty well.