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Re:SpaceX launches more Starlink satellites, misses booster ... by izacus on Monday February 17, 2020 @02:31PM (#22349984)
Is shoveling so much trash over non-american land actually legal?
Re:SpaceX launches more Starlink satellites, misses booster ... by gpm on Monday February 17, 2020 @03:09PM (#22350286)
Explicitly so by the outer space treaty.

Not that these launches are launching trash, or launching very much in the grand scheme of things either.

Re:SpaceX launches more Starlink satellites, misses booster ... by hawaiianbrah on Monday February 17, 2020 @06:08PM (#22351804)
How many satellites currently orbit the earth? Aren’t they planning to launch a thousand or two? That’s a pretty substantial amount of things!
Re:SpaceX launches more Starlink satellites, misses booster ... by gpm on Monday February 17, 2020 @06:52PM (#22352107)
There are currently roughly 5000 satellites in orbit (per wikipedia). I don't have good stats on those 5000 satellites but I believe they are on average substantially bigger than the starlink satellites.

Either way, a few thousand things spread out over the surface area of the earth is practically nothing.

Re:SpaceX launches more Starlink satellites, misses booster ... by sigstoat on Monday February 17, 2020 @08:40PM (#22352695)
> Either way, a few thousand things spread out over the surface area of the earth is practically nothing.

and the surface of a sphere at the altitude they're orbiting at is even larger. and the satellites are all spread across a variety of altitudes, relative to their size.

Re:SpaceX launches more Starlink satellites, misses booster ... by hawaiianbrah on Monday February 17, 2020 @11:24PM (#22353437)
Satellites already have a nontrivial effort put into keeping their orbits from colliding with each other. Increasing that number by 50% is not going to be easy.
Re:SpaceX launches more Starlink satellites, misses booster ... by skuthus on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @12:37PM (#22358003)
Starlink sats are all in LEO, way below the rest of the satellites currently in orbit
Re:SpaceX launches more Starlink satellites, misses booster ... by sigstoat on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @04:47PM (#22360742)
there's other stuff in low orbits, but contrary to the claim, low earth orbits aren't carefully planned. you ask for a rough altitude, and then you get whatever you get, because you probably don't have anything on board for adjusting your orbit.

it's up in geosynchronous where things are carefully planned, and the spacecraft can adjust their orbits, and do lots of long term station-keeping.

Re:SpaceX launches more Starlink satellites, misses booster ... by NikolaNovak on Monday February 17, 2020 @03:49PM (#22350603)
First, I don't think space is either American or Non-American land :)

Second, I imagine outer space treaty covers this in much similar way that treaties governing international waters do.

Third, to a certain degree "satellite trash" is in the eye of beholder - I don't think there's any more or less legality in this, than in ISS, TV and comms satellites, GPS, etc all flying all around the world.

Re:SpaceX launches more Starlink satellites, misses booster ... by Mountain_Skies on Monday February 17, 2020 @02:44PM (#22350088)
No one wants to get into a real estate battle in space. At least not yet. Maybe some day it will make sense to some nation but right now fighting that battle is a negative sum game.
Re:SpaceX launches more Starlink satellites, misses booster ... by nexuist on Monday February 17, 2020 @02:43PM (#22350080)
Nobody owns space.
Re:SpaceX launches more Starlink satellites, misses booster ... by new2628 on Monday February 17, 2020 @04:18PM (#22350869)
They just follow the uber/airbnb model -- do it quickly before the regulation catches up and it is too late to fix the damage.