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Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by James_Henry on Monday February 17, 2020 @10:00AM (#22348089)
The answer to this, I would think, would be to have a small part of the company whose soul purpose is to disrupt the larger company. Then Toyota and VW might have built Tesla in house without supply chain worries. When their in-house Tesla-like company proved a success, they could reasonably afford to upend their old supply chain: self-disruption.
Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by jungturk on Monday February 17, 2020 @11:07AM (#22348618)
Toyota has this with Toyota Connected, a wholly-owned subsidiary that's pushing software/mobility/advanced applications across the Toyota product lines.

They make it quite clear in their public conversations that Tesla-style innovation rates are the goal, but in private conversations lament that they're stuck working in a 3-year product cycle due to the innovation rates in their supply chains (as most of the specs and hardware are generated in collaboration with external suppliers).

As a sibling comment mentions, this structure also creates lots of resentment in some of the traditional Toyota departments who are being disrupted by this.

Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by earthboundkid on Monday February 17, 2020 @10:25AM (#22348293)
When companies try to do this, the other divisions attempt to smoother the new division in the crib and typically succeed. If you had good internal politics, they wouldn't do this, but if you had good internal politics, you wouldn't need a new division either.
Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by James_Henry on Monday February 17, 2020 @11:08AM (#22348625)
> but if you had good internal politics, you wouldn't need a new division either.

I don't know if I agree with this unless you mean to define "good internal politics" as internal politics that drives a company to self-disrupt.

As shown by the article, self-disruption isn't possible as a big company because the friction of changing things like supply chains and other capital. You really need to start another company that, in a sense, competes (and sometimes at least for a time complements) the larger company. Good internal politics would help to not squash internal competition, but it isn't, I think, enough to purposefully set up that competition.

Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by michaelbuckbee on Monday February 17, 2020 @10:10AM (#22348179)
Maybe worth noting that GM tried this with it's Saturn brand - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Corporation
Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by dmix on Monday February 17, 2020 @10:03AM (#22348117)
It’s still a big deal to the wider auto industry to have an entire supply chain disrupted. Even if that doesn’t mean much to the end consumer when the big car companies switch to off the shelf computing.
Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by norswap on Monday February 17, 2020 @10:06AM (#22348144)
Considering how much money went into the making of the real Tesla, is that really something these big auto-makers could have afforded?
Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by bcrosby95 on Monday February 17, 2020 @10:22AM (#22348270)
Most of that money went into things the big auto makers already had rather than anything particularly unique to Tesla.
Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by norswap on Wednesday February 19, 2020 @06:30AM (#22364676)
On the whole, fair point.

In particular, the article talk about supply line disruption. Rebuilding your supply lines means you can't use the existing ones, and that's certain not to be cheap either.

Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by prawn on Tuesday February 18, 2020 @03:51PM (#22360268)
This is often referred to as a "skunkworks" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_Works
Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by paramk on Monday February 17, 2020 @10:17AM (#22348236)
So Tesla is doing what Clayton predicted twenty years back.
Re:Tesla teardown finds electronics 6 years ahead of Toyota ... by James_Henry on Monday February 17, 2020 @10:54AM (#22348521)
I don't know if he predicted that electric cars would follow the disruption pattern, but yes Clayton's theory seems to apply here in some sense.