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Re:"This community is available in the app" by blhack on Sunday February 16, 2020 @01:59AM (#22340241)
What a strange thing to be this user hostile. When stuff like this happens, people look for alternatives, and even if they don’t switch immediately, this really erodes any loyalty they have to your brand/service.

I think Facebook is experiencing a similar thing. A frustrating amount of my network has quit, which makes planning events more difficult (and is frustrating). The difference for Facebook is that they have enough money to just buy wherever people move to. Reddit doesn’t have that.

At this point I think a lot of people are actively looking for (and probably finding) replacements. I’m actually surprised Reddit still makes their public api so easily available without any keys. I wonder how long until somebody just scrapes the content and uses that to help get over the network problem and start a competitor.

Re:"This community is available in the app" by Terr_ on Sunday February 16, 2020 @02:30AM (#22340366)
"Dear Reddit, have you forgotten that I switched to you from Digg when they pulled this kind of bullshit?"
Re:"This community is available in the app" by eximius on Sunday February 16, 2020 @03:40AM (#22340584)
Yes, the people who built Reddit no longer run Reddit.
Re:"This community is available in the app" by Macha on Sunday February 16, 2020 @10:11AM (#22341873)
Actually, they're back.

They just have a lot more investor money they need to show returns on this time.

Re:"This community is available in the app" by eximius on Sunday February 16, 2020 @01:12PM (#22342879)
I meant this both literally and metaphorically. No one is the same person after 15 years, but sometimes the same principles remain. Maybe theirs haven't.

Further, I don't know how big the original team was, but I doubt the majority of the founders are still there. It is, largely, approximately, under different management.

Re:"This community is available in the app" by throwaway1777 on Sunday February 16, 2020 @10:17AM (#22341898)
Spez started Reddit and he’s the ceo currently.
Re:"This community is available in the app" by bob1029 on Sunday February 16, 2020 @06:21AM (#22341060)
Look at digg.com today... I can't say their shenanigans have played out all that well for them. Perhaps Reddit engineers should use this as a cautionary tale during UX design meetings.

The oldest and most stable online communities seem to have the slowest-changing interfaces.

Re:"This community is available in the app" by bnt on Sunday February 16, 2020 @08:03AM (#22341364)
Current digg.com has nothing to do with the original Digg.
Re:"This community is available in the app" by dkdk8283 on Sunday February 16, 2020 @06:02AM (#22341019)
I left Reddit years ago due to the “community” getting weird, I feel some schadenfreude every time I see people complain about the site.

I think it will be an interesting case. Reddit seems more entrenched than Digg and the internet is different now. They obviously have metrics affirming their choices, so we’re probably in the minority with this mindset.

All kinds of shitty companies regularly force us to accept bullshit like this and Im afraid this is now status quo. It seems younger people generally accept it because the need for content is stronger than that of due diligence, a naive mistake en masse.

Re:"This community is available in the app" by mrweasel on Sunday February 16, 2020 @10:21AM (#22341920)
>I left Reddit years ago due to the “community” getting weird,

Yeah, one thing is that Reddit the company is getting shady, but the community has gotten rather toxic the last few years. I closed my account two years ago, roughly, because the community started be rather exclusive. If you're not an overly political correct leftish American city dweller you're opinions aren't welcome. There are Reddit approved opinions, any deviation from these opinions will result in you having a bad time.

I'm honestly surprised that the NSFW subreddit haven't been killed off yet, but I suppose Reddit see a business opportunity in all the cam-girls hanging around.

Re:"This community is available in the app" by nialv7 on Sunday February 16, 2020 @10:20AM (#22341913)
This is what always happens with SNSs, isn't it? The company starts small, and user-centric. People likes the website, a community starts to grow. And then, the company starts to find ways to be profitable. But at this point, most people won't leave, they will stay for the community.

Think about Facebook, Twitter, Quora and now Reddit.

I am not saying the company is doing anything _bad_ per se. A company has to be profitable, otherwise it would die. So, it seems to me that for a SNS to stay "good", it cannot be backed by a for profit company.

I don't know how that would work. Maybe things like WT.Social and Mastodon are the answer.

Re:"This community is available in the app" by numpad0 on Sunday February 16, 2020 @02:20AM (#22340331)
It pays to be user hostile. Draws in fresh blood. Keeps diversity high. Customer satisfaction is a metric, not a goal. I think that’s the reality.
Re:"This community is available in the app" by themagician on Sunday February 16, 2020 @02:15AM (#22340307)
Facebook gave up on its original userbase long ago when it found out there was a near endless supply of older boomers that can barely use a computer and would would click on everything and anything.

Facebook is designed for, and in fact is designed to prey on, the computer illiterate.

Re:"This community is available in the app" by catalogia on Sunday February 16, 2020 @02:19AM (#22340326)
> would click on everything and anything.

Particularly ads. I don't think it's necessarily computer illiteracy specifically to blame here, though it's certainly a factor. The elderly are also targeted by telephone scammers, presumably because they tend to be more trusting/naive. Even snail-mail becomes an issue for some old folks; my grandmother has trouble differentiating junk mail from legitimate mail, it can sometimes take her several minutes to realize she can throw away a junkmail flier.

I have the deepest contempt for the people who work in these sort of industries. They must know what they're doing.

Re:"This community is available in the app" by themagician on Sunday February 16, 2020 @02:32AM (#22340379)
My parents fall prey to a new Facebook scam every couple weeks. I can’t even keep up with it anymore.

Scam isn’t even the right word. More like “scheme”. Everything from anti-aging pills to travel clubs to worse. Between this garbage and the fake news nonsense Facebook is an absolute disease at this point.

Honestly, someone should start a campaign to ask Mark Zuckerberg to just delete it. Cash out and delete it for the good of humanity.

Re:"This community is available in the app" by GlitchMr on Sunday February 16, 2020 @03:05AM (#22340490)
Mark Zuckerberg cannot do this. He could sell his shares and leave Facebook, but it would still work.

Your best bet about shutting down Facebook is government action or useds leaving Facebook. Either of those seems almost impossible however, and keep in mind Facebook has money to purchase its competitors if useds start moving to them.

Re:"This community is available in the app" by Nextgrid on Sunday February 16, 2020 @05:03AM (#22340824)
We just need regulation. If Facebook advertising is used to promote a scam then Facebook should be considered complicit for the crime and punished.

The market will do the rest. Facebook doesn’t want to be fined so will force all ads to be reviewed & approved manually. This costs money so in turn the price of the ads will go up. Legitimate brands will still be able to afford it, the rest will disappear. Overall there would be less “noise” in the ads compared to the “signal” (the very few good ads).

Re:"This community is available in the app" by pixl97 on Sunday February 16, 2020 @10:53AM (#22342060)
Regulations, at least in the US will be purchased by the multi billion dollar ad companies.
Re:"This community is available in the app" by sillysaurusx on Sunday February 16, 2020 @02:17AM (#22340319)
An alternative to Reddit? It's a monopoly.

Where are you going to go? Voat?

They can be as horrible to their users as they want. As long as they have cat pictures on the front page, nobody cares enough to change anything.

I think we're all getting exactly what is deserved by collectively allowing a monopoly to form. (I'm not suggesting there should be legal action. I'm saying, by the laws of exponential curves and popularity, monopolies naturally form, and this is the result.)

Re:"This community is available in the app" by hadlock on Sunday February 16, 2020 @05:13AM (#22340863)
Reddit is the flavor of the month. It's been a long month, but before Reddit there was digg, kuro5hin, plastic, something awful, slashdot.

Myspace was the flavor of the month. Now it is facebook/imgur/snapchat. But before it was friendster, AIM, MSN, ICQ etc. Maybe next it will be Discord or Son Of Discord.

The wheel continues to turn. I have zero faith Reddit will command the market share it does today, in 2030.

Re:"This community is available in the app" by MaxBarraclough on Sunday February 16, 2020 @05:43AM (#22340962)
I wouldn't say reddit replaced Slashdot, any more than it's replaced Hacker News.

Slashdot really only competes with a dozen or so subreddits, after all, not with reddit as a whole.

Re:"This community is available in the app" by dillonmckay on Sunday February 16, 2020 @07:23AM (#22341227)
Friendster should have licensed their patents to Facebook, not sold them.
Re:"This community is available in the app" by KozmoNau7 on Sunday February 16, 2020 @11:36AM (#22342296)
Something Awful still exists and is still very active, last time I checked.
Re:"This community is available in the app" by hadlock on Sunday February 16, 2020 @09:18PM (#22345057)
Yeah and in 10 years both forums will still exist. Something Awful exists and is active, but it's not in the cultural driver's seat the way it was in 2004-2009. But then Reddit (some claim, Twitter) came along and ate their lunch and they've been in the back seat for many many years with slow to no user growth.
Re:"This community is available in the app" by mirimir on Sunday February 16, 2020 @02:30AM (#22340368)
How about Snew?[0] I see TFA.[1] So maybe everything.

But I guess that replies aren't implemented :(

> Snew is an open-source parody client for reddit.

> It is a client forked from the reddit source code that runs entirely in your browser.

> Snew attempts to undo reddit's pervasive censorship

> Content is pulled directly from the reddit api and pushshift.io

0) https://snew.notabug.io/r/all/

1) https://snew.notabug.io/r/mobileweb/comments/f2afvz/this_com...

Re:"This community is available in the app" by sillysaurusx on Sunday February 16, 2020 @02:35AM (#22340396)
Hmm, you mean notabug? https://notabug.io/

Interesting. Seems active too.

There's also tildes: https://tildes.net/ (I tried googling them and they're nowhere to be found. Ironically /r/tildes popped up before the actual site did.)

And lobsters: https://lobste.rs/

Re:"This community is available in the app" by r721 on Sunday February 16, 2020 @02:54AM (#22340457)
"To clarify:

notabug.io is a decentralized Reddit alternative that uses open source html/css from Reddit but whole new backend.

Snew.notabug.io is an anti censorship Reddit client that also uses open source html/css from Reddit but uses Reddit’s APIs and pushshift.io"

- go1dfish (admin of both)

https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/qs5/saidit_is_now_the_s...

Re:"This community is available in the app" by mirimir on Sunday February 16, 2020 @02:39AM (#22340415)
I think that it's somehow distinct from NAB.

It just gives you ~everything that got posted to Reddit.

Which is very useful for research purposes. And it fixes another Reddit defect, wherein it won't display full comment history, unless you're logged in.

Re:"This community is available in the app" by screenbeard on Sunday February 16, 2020 @02:42AM (#22340430)
Tildes feels like Reddit used to. it's just low on new content at the moment. More users would be good.
Re:"This community is available in the app" by tubbs on Sunday February 16, 2020 @10:02AM (#22341821)
I was very interested in Tildes, especially because their commitment to privacy and staying independent of investors. However, Deimos + potentially other admins are far too liberal with their moderation for my taste.

Not every network has to be a bastion of free speech, but being closed minded and erasing entire discussions that they don't like is a great way to build an echo chamber.

I wish a remember more of the context, but I had bookmarked this page[0] because it was an interesting discussion on this matter. As you can see, it's been nuked.

0: https://tildes.net/~tildes/ct2/no_invite_links_available_hav...

Re:"This community is available in the app" by mirimir on Sunday February 16, 2020 @08:20PM (#22344832)
I was thinking about seeking an invitation, but that totally turns me off. I hate reading spam, trolling and insane gibberish. Unless it's amusing, or thought provoking, anyway. But I also hate moderation by deletion or editing, especially if it's ideological and extreme.

I like the HN approach, generally. Even people who have gotten themselves shadowbanned can still post, and interesting comments can be vouched. And there's redemption with consistent evidence of constructive posting.

Ideally, though, I like distributed systems, where content is persistent and irrevocable. But with multiple portals, each with its own standards, and portal-specific moderation. And additionally, giving users the tools to filter, based on posters, topics, keywords, time, etc.

Anyway, about the URL, archive.org has no snapshots, and just tells me that it's available. But perhaps someone has archived it, and will post a link.

Re:"This community is available in the app" by amitport on Sunday February 16, 2020 @02:31AM (#22340370)
It's really not a monopoly. Just the most popular service. Yes, it's currently better than the competition for some communities, but it really doesn't mean the competition doesn't exist or can't form.
Re:"This community is available in the app" by sillysaurusx on Sunday February 16, 2020 @02:37AM (#22340408)
If you s/reddit/facebook/, the same argument holds. But obviously Facebook is a monopoly.

Reddit is the Nth most popular site in the world. (I'm not exactly sure what N is, but it's pretty small.) Whatever the competition is, it hardly registers on the radar.

Re:"This community is available in the app" by atoav on Sunday February 16, 2020 @03:02AM (#22340480)
It is not a monopoly — while there is only one reddit the effect this has on me is, that I read literally anything else: small blogs, wikipedia, books, news, this site etc.

If they wouldn't use these practices I would probably spend a significant amount of time on their site. But as it is now, I feel reluctant to visit reddit unless I am searching for a solution to a specific problem.

I am not even sure if users like me who stay away even show up in any of the metrics they use to justify their current actions — how would they even messure it?

Re:"This community is available in the app" by abtinf on Sunday February 16, 2020 @02:59AM (#22340470)
Irony: saying reddit is a monopoly on a different widely read forum.
Re:"This community is available in the app" by themagician on Sunday February 16, 2020 @02:34AM (#22340393)
It’s a monopoly on what? It’s just a collection of message boards.