Ask HN: Is what I'm about to do a bad idea?
Over the past week and a half, I have been interviewing with a company that I really want to work for. I'm currently working in TX, and the company I am interviewing for is a startup out in SF. It has been a dream / goal of mine to end up out there for the past 2 years, or so.
Well, things move fast at startups, and I have conducted 2 phone interviews and now they want to fly me out there on Monday to meet everyone (and, make a job offer I am assuming / hoping). The only problem is, at my current job I am supposed to demo some software we have been writing for the past few months to one of our clients who are flying in to see it. My current company consists of 7 people, and we do minor software development for auditors. Not exactly an enjoyable setup. The company I'm interviewing with is well established, so I'm not concerned about it being a potential job security risk. I guess it may technically no longer even be considered a startup.
All of this is happening very fast, and I feel like I'm just needing some advice because I'm not sure if what I'm about to do is the right decision.
I'm going to go through with the flight on Monday, and go out there. I'm just going to go for it. I don't want to do anything to delay this process and put any halt to the momentum that I have built up with them. I want this new job way too much.
Job offer or not, though, this would probably mean I'd have to resign from my current job, since I'd be shrugging off a meeting that has been schedule for a little more than a week.
I've got a phone call coming up in a few hours with the startup I'm interviewing with to discuss flight arrangements and schedule, etc.
Does this sound like a bad plan?
If they aren't willing to work with you on this, then you need to look for something else -- IMHO!
Never burn a bridge. Always be honest. It's a small world and it's not worth it. Not only does it affect the way other people think about you, it affects the way you think about yourself. Build character one step at a time, not the reverse.
Always be honest. If you are caught out in a lie people will forever wonder if they can trust you. That's not a good place to be.
Secondly, if the people in your office really do read HN then they already know who they are, and now probably know who you are.
Thirdly, you should fulfil your obligations. If you are expected to do the demo then you should either bring someone else up to speed to stand in for you, or you should stay and do the demo.
Explain to the guys in SF. Explain that it's important to you to be honest and to meet your obligations. Say that you are already obliged to do the demo, but you would be very pleased to come out as soon as it's done.
What reputation do you want? If you tell the SF guys that you are meeting an obligation, and that to do so is your style and your ethic, that can hardly make them want you less.
And in my book - always be honest.
Finally, one of my programmers once came to tell me he needed some time off for an interview. I made space for him, covered for him, and made it clear that I'd be sorry to see him go. I chatted with him to find out why he was unhappy, and eventually we agreed that he wasn't really a good fit for his job with us. We couldn't find anything that would fit better, so I helped him get a position he wanted more. I could honestly tell the other company that I respected his honesty and integrity, and was genuinely sorry to see him more on, but it was best for him.
No bridges burned, good karma all round.
What ever you do, make sure it matches the image you want to have of yourself.
Common experience is that once an employer knows you're stepping out and interviewing, you're already out. Especially if you haven't informed them you're looking, or at least asked them basic questions like: "I'm feeling limited in my role, do you have any ideas of how I can expand responsibility or learn new X"? If it's about money, bring that up and see what they say.
People can feel very betrayed when someone they like or value departs or plays games, for good reason, since obviously you don't value your current opportunity as much as your new one. Think of it like an intimate relationship. Especially in such a small company where you represent over 14% of the work force.
Interviewing while employed is something we'll all have to do once or more in our careers (especially in tech). Being graceful and honorable is fine, but at the end of the day, if you try and live a righteous life, you're going to find out that most people don't act like that. Especially when they feel betrayed.
However. Doing the right thing and protecting yourself does not give you the right to discharge your responsibilities. Certainly not something I would look for in a new hire.
If you haven't done so yet, explain, or even forward a sanitized agenda from Monday's meeting. Explain you can't make it as desired (Monday is a holiday I think), let your employers know you need personal time off after the demo and handle things like an adult.
As others have said several times, the new company will wait a day or two for you.
Your best bet is to knock the demo out of the park, show your value to your current employer and take the new offer with pride. You treat your old employer right when you run out of town to San Francisco, the better chance you'll have a reference or a job back there if things don't work out here.
Another thing to keep in mind if you're relatively new and only worked in small companies. In such a small setting, in such a lowered cost of living location like (anywhere in) Texas, you'll have a lot more work-habit related freedoms than in a larger organization.
Do you really think 'and, make a job offer I am assuming / hoping' is sufficient grounds to burn the ship you are on?
Are you convinced that postponing that meeting a day or even a week could cost you the opportunity of that new job?
No, I'm not convinced about that, but in terms of myself and my future, I do not want to postpone this interview. I value the opportunity infinitely more than I value this current job of mine. I could go into the tons of reasons why my current job is depressing, but I don't think there's enough time. haha
if they're looking for you specifically and not just a warm body, they should understand. if they're just looking for a warm body, i'd think twice about the process.
tell as it is. they're testing your willingness to work for them. you test them: how will they value you
just a story
Also, don't forget about doing both. Is there some reason you can't VPN into your office from SF and give the demo virtually?
This isn't a final version demo, either. It's just a display of our progress. So, if I were to go interview on Monday, I imagine they'd just not have the demo meeting.
I was in the same situation half a year ago, and I'm 100% glad I was totally honest about it. And like others have said, you don't want to burn down bridges - you never know when old business contacts may come in handy.