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Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by TheSpiceIsLife on Thursday February 13, 2020 @07:50PM (#22322933)
If you’re going to spend $50,000 on a computer, you can probably hire two security guards / off duty cops for an hour each at $250 an hour?
Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by angry_octet on Thursday February 13, 2020 @07:59PM (#22322991)
The whole notion of employing off duty police as security is antithetical to the proper administration of justice and highlights systematic malaise.

As well as the fear of robbery for such a low value and traceable item.

Edit because I can't reply:

Just off duty police. Police have significant powers, even off duty. In addition, if you pay them well they might do favors for you when on duty. Like looking for someone in the police databases, telling you about police operations etc.

There are many security guards who are not people who failed to become police. Some are ex police, ex Army etc, but there are limited situations when an armed response is rational, and a $50k Mac is not one of them. An insurance policy is much cheaper.

Having said that, I recommend Samoans (wide) and Sudanese (tall) for unarmed intimidation potential.

Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by pmiller2 on Thursday February 13, 2020 @08:17PM (#22323094)
I wouldn’t call $50k a “low value” item. What item does the average person own that’s worth $50k besides a house or a car?
Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by antris on Thursday February 13, 2020 @08:39PM (#22323251)
Watches, jewellery etc.

Low value is relative. $50k is a lot to many people, but compared to human life, $50k isn't worth the risk.

Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by skinnymuch on Thursday February 13, 2020 @09:12PM (#22323403)
Average person though, no? Im not sure even half the people in the 97th percentile having one watch or piece of jewelry worth $50K.
Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by antris on Thursday February 13, 2020 @10:10PM (#22323676)
Depending on where you live and what you prioritize. Among the people I know, very few own their apartment or use a car. And a $50k car is not the cheapest either... In the US it might be an average, but here in Europe where the public transportation works well you have to be making a lot of money to have a $50k car be worth it in the city. In my case, it could then be argued that the average person doesn't own a car or a house either.

Many families have watches or jewellery that gets passed down the family tree. A $50k watch or a piece of jewellery is something that lasts for many generations. Most people who own a watch of in that price point never paid for it, but got it as a gift. Also, timepieces of that value often rise up in value.

Anyway, it's beside the point. Whether the average person owns what doesn't affect what $50k is relative to a human life.

Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by im3w1l on Friday February 14, 2020 @02:36AM (#22324704)
Watches are basically obsolete today. I expect them to gradually drop in value over the next 50 years as older generations die off. Especially mid-tier ones. Top of the top will maintain value because of demand from eccentrics and low-tier ones don't have much value in the first place.
Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by antris on Friday February 14, 2020 @03:12AM (#22324852)
Watches definitely aren't obsolete. Just go look how many people on the street are wearing watches.

Well-made watches from known brands with a heritage keep their prices very well, even during economically difficult times. If you look at a mid-level luxury brand such as Rolex, you can invest $8000 for a watch that has a great track record in keeping its value: https://imgur.com/0XeTVg5 And that's not even a top-level brand. Rolex is considered mid-tier in terms of luxury watches and the Submariner is one of their lower priced models.

I find it hard to believe that you have some kind of special power to predict how such a stable market will suddenly experience a crash. Though I hope you're right, because I'd love to have access to great watches for a lower price.

Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by m000 on Friday February 14, 2020 @07:50AM (#22326087)
> Just go look how many people on the street are wearing watches.

Uhhhmmm... Not many? And those who wear, it's either an apple watch or some cheap utilitarian model.

> I'd love to have access to great watches for a lower price.

Expensive watches require regular service to retain their value. Let's see how it will work when Rolex asks you for $1000 a piece for your briefcase full of watches.

I can see many owners of inherited watches being unwilling to pay up for servicing their watch. Which will prompt many of them to sell it, thus creating an increase in supply. At the same time demand for Rolex-type watches will be dropping, or at best remain stable. Thus, these watches will lose value.

Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by antris on Friday February 14, 2020 @08:03AM (#22326133)
Well, if you find a genuine Rolex at a rock-bottom price that needs servicing, make sure to let watch enthusiasts know, you'll make an easy buck flipping it.

Me? I've yet to find those deals.

> Uhhhmmm... Not many? And those who wear, it's either an apple watch or some cheap utilitarian model.

Are those not watches? You said watches are obsolete, and now you're discounting a big part of them. Apple watches, utilitarian watches are watches. Some people like them, others don't. I would never want an Apple watch, but I love my Swatch. No data tracked anywhere, no need to recharge, and looks and feels much nicer than an Apple watch for a fraction of the cost.

Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by Piskvorrr on Friday February 14, 2020 @11:49AM (#22328023)
The point of most tools is their utility. Are you saying that in a watch, telling time is just a side effect?
Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by criddell on Friday February 14, 2020 @09:05AM (#22326594)
I agree about the high end market always being there. Makers like MB&F are essentially making kinetic sculptures that you wear.

At the lower end of the market, Apple alone makes something like $35 billion on watches from nothing a decade ago.

Mid-tier makers like Rolex haven't been able to meet demand for a decade now.

I think a lot of the smaller manufacturers will go away. There's something like 500 watch companies in Switzerland alone and I'm guessing most of those don't have much of a future.

Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by catalogia on Thursday February 13, 2020 @08:06PM (#22323024)
Do you oppose security guards in general, or only off-duty police officers working as security guards? I ask because as far as I can tell the practical alternative is to hire some guy who flunked out of the police academy and became a security guard instead, which seems... worse.

Personally I navigate life without hiring any security guards. But I recognize that some people and/or circumstances might have legitimate need for one.

Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by ClumsyPilot on Thursday February 13, 2020 @09:10PM (#22323394)
I think the beef is with the idea that police have a trusted role in society, that is incompatible with being "goons for hire"
Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by madengr on Thursday February 13, 2020 @09:26PM (#22323483)
I’d just open carry my .45 into the Apple store. Probably wouldn’t go over well with the typical Apple crowd, but guarantee you won’t be robbed.
Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by wyclif on Thursday February 13, 2020 @10:36PM (#22323785)
I did that once with a Glock 20. I didn't care if went over well; no way I'm gonna receive a large corporate order and move it to the parking lot at night any other way. No way to tell who had access to the order info in their system, though I will say I'd trust Apple on privacy far more than I would most other hardware companies.
Re:Apple store workers should be paid for time waiting to be... by detaro on Thursday February 13, 2020 @09:13PM (#22323415)
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