Re:Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously compl...
by bluGill on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @08:31AM
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Car engineers know what level 1-5 is. Level 1 and 2 are basic assist - cruise control and the like. Level 3 is the car drives but the driver monitors everything for issues the car can't detect. 4 and 5 are you can go to sleep, 4 means there are some situations the car will wake you up and after you get a coffee (ie there is no need for instant take over) you drive, while 5 is the car will drive anything.
Re:Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously compl...
by aguyfromnb on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @07:58AM
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>It may be completely unreliable but even a toaster that always burns the bread is called a toaster
This argument is leaning toward the ridiculous.
I think only you and Elon Musk consider a "greater than zero chance of making it to your destination without intervention" to be self-driving.
Re:Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously compl...
by rootusrootus on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @10:36AM
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Musk has good reason -- he's been selling an expensive "full self driving" package for a couple years and in order to deliver he needs to redefine the term. He's already working hard on that.
Re:Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously compl...
by stephenr on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @08:02AM
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And I think you're being ridiculously pedantic if you think that a list of caveats and asterisks in the fine print means that average Joe B. Motorist doesn't view the Autopilot/Summon/etc features as some degree of "self driving".
I said "for most people". For most people I know, a car that will change lanes, navigate freeways and even exit freeways is "self driving". It may be completely unreliable but even a toaster that always burns the bread is called a toaster: no one says "you need to define what a toaster means to you".
> At least for me, self-driving means level 4 upwards.
I have literally zero clue what the first three "levels" are or what "level 4" means, and I'd wager 99% of people who buy cars wouldn't either.
> that doesn't mean that at the end of the year it'll be able to drive the car with 150 km/h on the Autobahn.
30 seconds found me a video on youtube of some British guy using autopilot at 150kph on a German autobahn last June.
Again: I'm not suggesting that it is a reliable "self driving car". I'm suggesting that it is sold and perceived as a car that can drive itself, in spite of a laundry list of caveats and restrictions.