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Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by Causality1 on Monday February 10, 2020 @12:47PM (#22291383)
It's strange to me that people who make a habit of doing fantastically illegal things on the internet are always so sloppy about it. Even if they don't have the technical ability to break into their neighbor's wifi or set up a long range antenna to connect to an open access point they can still get a burner smartphone and drive to a Starbucks. Back when I used to torrent my TV shows I didn't even let my piracy laptop touch my home network and I never used that machine for anything other than downloading.
Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by agoristen on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:41PM (#22291914)
We don't actually know for sure that he was doing "illegal things". He was running a hosting company ("Ultra Host") on the public facing web and later launched Freedom Host as a side business, or perhaps better described as a charitable hosting service to contribute to the Tor network. Freedom Host offered FREE hosting to people on the Tor network. What liability does he have if other people use his host for illegal things? From what I understand he was never personally involved in any of these activities.

One can argue that he had to know about it, perhaps so, but the way he's being portrayed by LE and media is as if he was the kingpin of child porn. That's far from the truth. Freedom host served half of the Tor network, including perfectly legitimate services like Tormail, wikis etc.

I think his mistake in not cloaking the identity used to purchase servers can be explained this way: He was never planning to host CP starting out (or do anything else illegal for that matter). He probably thought universally recognized no-liability laws would apply to Freedom Host just as any other hosting business. Perhaps he later went down a darker path, but at that point it was too late.

The fact that he now pleads guilty means absolutely nothing however. Remember, he was extradited from his country to USA, and while he should never have been sent there, he now have to adapt to the way the "justice system" works over there and it works kind of like this: 5000 years in jail or take a plea deal and get away with 15-30 years. Even if he is innocent, you need to realize that when you're facing a kangaroo court and subsequent rotting away in jail for life it might be better to pick the lesser evil.

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by hatmatrix on Monday February 10, 2020 @06:38PM (#22294590)
According to [1]

> Freedom Hosting has long been notorious for allowing child porn to live on its servers. In 2011, the hactivist collective Anonymous singled out the service for denial-of-service attacks after allegedly finding the firm hosted 95 percent of the child porn hidden services on the Tor network. In the hearing yesterday, [FBI Agent] Donahue said the service hosted at least 100 child porn sites with thousands of users, and claimed Marques had visited some of the sites himself.

[1] https://www.wired.com/2013/09/freedom-hosting-fbi/

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by Analemma_ on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:32PM (#22291814)
> It's strange to me that people who make a habit of doing fantastically illegal things on the internet are always so sloppy about it.

This is completely the wrong way to think about it. Remember the Defender's Dilemma: to run an illegal business like this, your opsec needs to be perfect: every single possible channel of information leakage (including the "unknown unknowns"), every minute, every hour, every day, forever. You need to be lucky every time, the feds only need to be lucky once.

When you focus on the specific mistakes that people made and thus call them "sloppy", you're missing all the things they did right; you might not have made those mistakes if you were in their position, but you would've made different mistakes.

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by dmschulman on Monday February 10, 2020 @12:54PM (#22291443)
Confirmation bias.

Imagine all of the criminals out there who are running operations so well oiled that they leave little exposure for being caught.

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by gwbas1c on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:27PM (#22291770)
Where there's a will, there's a way.

The internet is designed to send data from point A to point B. Keeping point A and point B truly anonymous means that the internet won't work.

Tools like Tor don't really protect you, it's more like they make it hard enough to figure out who you are that only people with strong incentives will track you down.

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by pinkfoot on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:39PM (#22291886)
> Keeping point A and point B truly anonymous

Read and write encrypted packets to alt.anon ?

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by gwbas1c on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @11:04AM (#22299477)
Single point of failure: all you have to do is compromise alt.anon.
Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by jascii on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:22PM (#22291721)
I suspect that if you have a useful understanding of information security there are better/easier/less risky ways to make money then crime..
Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by alasdair_ on Monday February 10, 2020 @02:29PM (#22292346)
>or set up a long range antenna to connect to an open access point

Sure, this works for torrenting TV shows. If you are the number one peddler of child porn on the planet however, this won't help you for very long. The FBI (or whatever national police force is trying to find you) will just go to the access point, realize you're connected remotely and triangulate your position with (essentially) some signal-strength meters in much the same way the FCC tracks down particularly disruptive unlicensed broadcasters.

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by thinkloop on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:03PM (#22291520)
Upvoted. Another perspective is that if you are smart enough to know, then you're smart enough to know it's an impossible mission against state actors given enough time and would never try it. Downloading a movie at a Starbucks is one thing, running a 24/7 hosting operation without every accidentally leaking a single piece of data is nigh impossible.
Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by jandrese on Monday February 10, 2020 @12:52PM (#22291428)
Or the only people who get caught doing illegal stuff on the internet are the ones who are sloppy and give themselves away.
Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by zelly on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:08PM (#22291577)
> drive to a Starbucks

Didn't help Ross. It's a bad idea to do illegal stuff in public.

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by ChrisCinelli on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:52PM (#22292009)
It is a bad idea to do illegal stuff.
Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by homonculus1 on Monday February 10, 2020 @03:13PM (#22292756)
Depends on your value system. Another perspective is that some laws ought to be broken, in spite of the potential consequences.
Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by ChrisCinelli on Monday February 10, 2020 @04:01PM (#22293283)
If the values of a person are "achieving personal power" in first position and "respect others" in last, that person may be ok to steal.

I hear some people arguing that in business "not breaking the laws" is not the problem unless they get caught and even in that case, it is a problem only if the consequences end up costing more than the gain they receive in doing it.

So a person with those value may end up breaking the law. Are you saying it is ok?

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by homonculus1 on Monday February 10, 2020 @04:21PM (#22293510)
There are numerous unjust laws that infringe on the rights of the individual. Not only is it morally defensible to break such laws, but it is a good for respectable people to do so in order to reclaim behavioral territory and psychological freedom from the police state. This demonstrates to others that being a "criminal" is not a moral status but a legal one.

It may even be a social duty.

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by ChrisCinelli on Monday February 10, 2020 @06:04PM (#22294384)
It is a dangerous ground thought... Who decide what is just or unjust?

Different people have different values and believes in what is just or unjust. I agree that some laws may need to be changed. But should we not have discussions on changing the laws instead of breaking them?

This obviously implies a good democratic system so it may be different is some nations.

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by homonculus1 on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @12:50PM (#22300598)
>Who decide what is just or unjust?

Everybody does. Everybody must, because delegating the decision in itself is merely an option of that decision. Whether you obey power, follow your own greed, defer to social norms, or carefully weigh your own values and the consequences of your actions for yourself, all people are moral agents whether or not they realize which path they are following.

You raise a reasonable objection; I'm not advocating murder or wanton lawlessness. But here's a whole category of illegitimate laws that should be disobeyed: prohibitions born out of moral panic. These laws don't restrict actual harm, whether immediate like violence or accreted like pollution. They restrict the mere chance of harm by denying individual agency, out of fear that it could possibly be used for harm by even the tiniest number of people.

That's why simply discussing these laws isn't enough. They originate in fear and blindness that can't be reasoned against. The mere word of the thing evokes a fear response that shuts down thought: "drugs", "guns", "homosexuality", "racial integration". Good people have to be willing to break the law to show the difference between the panic and the actual outcomes.

Societal progress doesn't come from people musing about what they think they'd like to try, if only it were legal. It comes from people who risk everything to say "This forbidden thing is actually good and we know because we've done it, and it's so important that even banning it won't stop us".

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by torified on Monday February 10, 2020 @11:55PM (#22296178)
Only the worst kind of monster would make moral decisions based solely on legality.

Yes, even under a "good Democratic system".

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by HideousKojima on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:12PM (#22291625)
Ross was dumb enough to get fake passports/ids shipped directly to his home address
Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by edm0nd on Monday February 10, 2020 @03:26PM (#22292896)
While Ross did do some bad things, I do not think it is enough to warrant a double life sentence plus forty years without the possibility of parole.

El Chapo, an actual drug cartel member who is directly responsible for thousands of deaths, only got a single life sentence.

Ross got screwed on his sentencing and it is totally unjustified.

Free Ross!

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by saber6 on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:01PM (#22295333)
You're insane. His site facilitated numerous drug deals for profit. He also paid bitcoin in what he thought was a hit-job (he was duped). This dumbass can rot in prison. Screw him.
Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by ieS7rpVU on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @10:42AM (#22299316)
There is nothing wrong with facilitating drug deals and there is not a shred of evidence to support the other allegation. An allegation from the US government means absolutely nothing to me.

It's also quite ironic that an organization that has assassinated numerous people are attempting to destroy the reputation of one of their enemies by claiming that he attempted to assassinate somebody.

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by saber6 on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @01:51PM (#22301353)
> It's also quite ironic that an organization that has assassinated numerous people are attempting to destroy the reputation of one of their enemies by claiming that he attempted to assassinate somebody.

The United States Government (USG) enjoys a monopoly of violence (consent of the governed). However, a citizen (or group of them -- org/corp) does not enjoy such rights. Your comparison is invalidated.

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by ieS7rpVU on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @03:15PM (#22302320)
Ignoring the fact that many of the people assassinated by the US government where not US citizens and never set foot on anything the US government claimed as territory...

Who exactly is consenting to be governed? I know I'm not consenting but I also know that some other people support the government that purports to govern them. Is it enough for one person to consent or does something magic happen at a particular number or portion?

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by saber6 on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @05:14PM (#22303532)
> Is it enough for one person to consent or does something magic happen at a particular number or portion?

Nah. We have these things called elections (and representational democracy). In general that mechanism decides how society will progress forward from a political perspective.

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by ieS7rpVU on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @08:21PM (#22304818)
Imagine this hypothetical scenario:

The US government, acting in accordance with its constitution invades and occupies Canada. Congress creates 13 new states corresponding to the previous provinces and territories and elections are held. Almost all of the elected members from the newly annexed areas are opposed to the annexation and introduce a bill to allow the 13 new states to secede from the US but the bill is overwhelmingly defeated by members of Congress from the other 50 states.

Does the US government in this scenario enjoy the consent of the governed?

If they do, imagine that the original US population was more split on the issue so that the secession bill would have passed with Canada divided into 13 states. However the pre-annexation Congress anticipated this and resolved to make Canada a single state that would consequently not have sufficient representation to pass the bill even with the support of opponents from some of the other 50 states.

Does the US government still enjoy the consent of the governed in the second scenario?

Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by not2b on Monday February 10, 2020 @03:18PM (#22292802)
Re:A dark web tycoon pleads guilty, but how was he caught? by tonyedgecombe on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:07PM (#22291557)
I expect they thought they were doing the right thing by using Tor.