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Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by schlu on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:41AM (#22289473)
In my opinion here are the pros:

- iOS will be around a long time.

- Big brands and startups are basically required to have an app in the App Store if they want to succeed.

- Every year a new version comes out that requires developers to fix bugs and sometimes adopt new technology.

Here are the cons:

- Extremely difficult to build an indie business on iOS given that there is a single distribution channel that you don't control.

- The learning curve is pretty steep.

Here are some other points:

- Good iOS developers are harder to find than good web developers (feels true to me, it might not be).

- You probably won't be on call as an iOS developer (this is important to me, it might not to you).

Developers are paid well across the board. I would pick a technology you enjoy working in and isn't in decline. I believe developers are more likely to succeed if they chase their interest over their salary.

Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by onion2k on Monday February 10, 2020 @10:46AM (#22290055)
Big brands and startups are basically required to have an app in the App Store if they want to succeed.

I don't think that will continue to be the case for much longer. It's mirroring the web to an extent - for a long time every business needed to have a website, and now more and more don't bother with anything more than a holding page that directs users to a few social media accounts. Brand apps are likely to go the same way, especially as Apple are doubling down on rejecting apps that don't provide useful functionality now.

Having an app for your brand is worthwhile if you have something to say and something for users to do. If you don't it's painfully obvious that the whole effort was a waste of time.

Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by zepto on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:19PM (#22291697)
What brand can you name that wouldn’t have something useful you could do with an app?
Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by kick on Monday February 10, 2020 @02:43PM (#22292473)
The Hershey Company.
Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by zepto on Monday February 10, 2020 @03:21PM (#22292839)
Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by kick on Monday February 10, 2020 @03:30PM (#22292936)
What's the purpose of linking this? It's chocolate...with an emoji stamped on it. There's no app.
Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by zepto on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @09:47AM (#22298857)
No but it’s obvious there could be.
Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by kick on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @10:02AM (#22298969)
Nothing valuable, and especially nothing that shouldn't be done with a website.
Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by zepto on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @04:37PM (#22303160)
Just because you don’t personally value something doesn’t mean it isn’t valuable. Anyway, it’s clear that the issue here is that you simply want apps to go away. Not that they are.
Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by ryanwaggoner on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @11:43AM (#22299863)
People have been saying this for a decade.
Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by hstreet on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @10:09PM (#22305370)
I can promise that they'll be saying this a decade from now too, without much changing.
Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by ptah on Monday February 10, 2020 @11:27AM (#22290539)
> - Every year a new version comes out that requires developers to fix bugs and sometimes adopt new technology.

this is a huge bug in the ecosystem from a user perspective as you have to continue paying to keep your software working.

Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by schlu on Monday February 10, 2020 @11:35AM (#22290621)
I wish upgrades were easier on the iOS side, but in some instances users are demanding new features. Take for example split screen on the iPad. I takes time to figure out what your interface should look like in different dimensions. I am not sure what Apple could have done about that in advance.

Upgrades on the web take time and resources too. So I don't think this is unique to iOS.

Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by ptah on Monday February 10, 2020 @11:59AM (#22290881)
I guess it is a general software problem. Breaking changes in the platform forces developer to put effort into keeping application functioning and that needs to be paid for somehow
Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by balladeer on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:02PM (#22291510)
> You probably won't be on call as an iOS developer (this is important to me, it might not to you).

Thank you! This was the reason I went back to Android dev after trying web dev for 7-8 months. There were other reasons too.

Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by jpttsn on Monday February 10, 2020 @11:19AM (#22290420)
> Extremely difficult to build an indie business on iOS given that there is a single distribution channel that you don't control.

Would this imply it is easier to build an indie business on Android?

Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by schlu on Monday February 10, 2020 @11:31AM (#22290577)
I don't have any direct experience of building a business on Android. Last I heard iOS users spend more money on the App Store than Android users. I think this implies it is harder. I would think they are both pretty difficult probably in the same order of magnitude to each other.
Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by jpttsn on Monday February 10, 2020 @04:32PM (#22293615)
If the walled garden is that bad for indies, indies should do way better on Android, right?
Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by mygo on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @11:02PM (#22305634)
There is significantly more money inside that walled garden. Just a more qualified customer base in terms of willingness to pay.
Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by jpttsn on Friday February 14, 2020 @11:34AM (#22327893)
So: on net, the single distribution channel provides access to paying customers, in turn making it easier—-not harder—-for indies to build a business there.

Which makes it wrong to say iOS’s single distribution channel is bad for indies: it’s actually good for indies.

Unless you claim that walled garden and paying users occurring together is a sheer coincidence.

Re:Ask HN: Is it worth switching from web development to nat... by ryanwaggoner on Monday February 10, 2020 @10:16AM (#22289765)
I strongly echo all of this.