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Re:Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Window... by disiplus on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:38AM (#22289442)
that, and also we paid for the windows license.
Re:Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Window... by Cthulhu_ on Monday February 10, 2020 @10:51AM (#22290104)
Once, maybe; Windows' business model has changed, they are only charging for Windows 10 OEM now and have stopped trying to publish a new paid version every few years. Their business model is recurring payments now like Office365 and OneDrive, but also ads inside of applications and I presume selling your usage data to third parties.
Re:Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Window... by jammygit on Monday February 10, 2020 @02:22PM (#22292274)
Non OEM copies of Windows are like $200+ (unless you buy the fake/scam keys from amazon recommended windows sellers)
Re:Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Window... by zeusk on Monday February 10, 2020 @04:28PM (#22293574)
You can still run the 10 upgrade assistant and get it for free.
Re:Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Window... by JonathonW on Monday February 10, 2020 @11:46AM (#22290730)
Were OS upgrades ever a significant profit center for Microsoft? Prior to the free Windows 10 upgrade, most users I know of would only get on a new version of Windows when it came with a new computer.
Re:Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Window... by jammygit on Monday February 10, 2020 @02:23PM (#22292280)
Those upgrades werent free, they were hidden in the cost of the machine
Re:Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Window... by JonathonW on Monday February 10, 2020 @03:31PM (#22292940)
I never said they were-- those are new licenses, and accounted for by Microsoft as OEM sales.

I'm asking about Windows upgrade SKUs-- the kind that you'd buy in a box someplace like Best Buy or Circuit City or Office Max back in the day, completely separate from a computer. Were those ever a meaningful fraction of sales? Or, phrased differently, is Microsoft actually leaving any money on the table by making Windows 10 upgrades (both the Windows 7/8 to 10 and 10 feature releases) free for consumers rather than paid?

Re:Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Window... by bcrosby95 on Monday February 10, 2020 @10:17AM (#22289780)
But it's never enough. Gotta get that growth.
Re:Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Window... by will4274 on Monday February 10, 2020 @11:25AM (#22290514)
So? There are free products with ads (like Gmail), paid products without ads (like Netflix and Windows 8), and paid products with ads (like Hulu and Win10 home edition). I'm not the biggest fan of the paid+ads business model, but it's a valid model and Microsoft has been pretty consistent - Win10 has followed this model since release, so nobody is being tricked.
Re:Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Window... by t-writescode on Monday February 10, 2020 @12:35PM (#22291253)
People were tricked when they were forced to upgrade through confusing prompts. People were forced when Microsoft strong-armed processor companies to not support Windows 8 and instead force Windows 10’upgrades if you wanted new machines.

Disclosure: I worked for Microsoft during Windows 8 through early Windows 10 development on related teams.

Re:Microsoft begins showing an anti-Firefox ad in the Window... by will4274 on Tuesday February 11, 2020 @11:58AM (#22299998)
> Microsoft strong-armed processor companies to not support Windows 8 and instead force Windows 10’upgrades if you wanted new machines

Do you mean to say that Microsoft clearly communicated Win8 EOL dates and OEMs choose to move accordingly? If not, can you cite a source?

Edit: after some googling, I think you mean - Microsoft didn't think it was worth the expense to pay engineers to backport processor support to Win8. Bit of a difference from "strong-arming" the processor companies