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Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by skrause on Monday February 10, 2020 @07:52AM (#22288629)
> Parking pages or any other use that intends to work around the restriction can be deemed illegitimate use.

My personal domain doesn't even have an A record in the DNS, only an MX record because use it for all my email. By your definition that would be an "illegitimate use" and I should lose my domain...

Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by kerkeslager on Monday February 10, 2020 @08:26AM (#22288878)
Would it be an undue burden to require people like you to put up a page saying, "This is my personal domain which I use primarily for email."?

Can we just agree that nobody is posting the full proposed set of rules on HN, and nobody is trying to take away your domain?

Every time this solution to domain squatting is proposed, someone counters with your objection as if it's a huge problem with the idea, but it just isn't. Surely you can imagine a set of rules that shuts down a large number of domain squatters but allows your use case.

Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by jefftk on Monday February 10, 2020 @08:43AM (#22288996)
How do you write rules that allow "this is my personal domain that I use for email" and not squatting? Can't the squatters just say something along those lines?
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by kerkeslager on Monday February 10, 2020 @11:33PM (#22296089)
Sure, they can say that.

And if they are a big company that owns hundreds of thousands of unrelated domains with no apparent email traffic, it would be pretty obvious that it's untrue.

So sure, a lot of small bad actors would get away with it. But it would could potentially take out the biggest bad actors.

Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by franga2000 on Monday February 10, 2020 @08:48AM (#22289029)
If the squatters have to do that, then their squatting has no value to them. The point of squatters is to eventually sell the domain and if all the domains look "in use" (so no parking allowed), the amount of people sending offers will fall.
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by kortilla on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:17AM (#22289258)
What a joke, within days of such rules being announced, a system would emerge to discover which domains might be willing to sell even though they would put up an “in-use” page.
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by franga2000 on Monday February 10, 2020 @10:19AM (#22289801)
Still much better than the current system. At least users who aren't familiar with it would just see the domain is "taken" and move along, not see a billion ads and a "contact us to buy" button. I've seen people who didn't even realize that was "outside the system" and thought that's how domains are supposed to be sold.

And either way, even a bad countermeasure would be better than nothing, as it would show that squatting is not longer tolerated. It would set a precedent for stricter regulation later on, because as it stands right now, ICANN is actively ignoring the problem and happily collecting their 14¢ fees.

As for a better solution, first ban all advertisement of peer-to-peer sales of domain names (so only registrars may offer a domain for sale). That should improve the situation significantly.

Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by anonsivalley652 on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:08AM (#22289189)
The "domain squatting" meme is intellectually dishonest and based on envy. People who buy zillions of domains must be allowed if people are allowed to buy as many stamps, boxes of paper, cars, jet skis or houses as they wish. It's called freedom, property rights and being consistent. If you want one of their domains that they registered and paid for before you so badly, inquire if they will sell it; if they choose to or not is their choice, and you are not entitled to it simply because you want it.
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by toyg on Monday February 10, 2020 @10:12AM (#22289729)
Domains are real estate. Periodic land reform / redistribution is a staple of human history, when things become patently unbalanced for society as a whole.
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by ryanlol on Monday February 10, 2020 @11:01AM (#22290210)
Is domain distribution patently unbalanced for society as a whole? What does that even mean? Should everyone be able to get a short dictionary word .com domain?
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by toyg on Monday February 10, 2020 @11:53AM (#22290805)
> Is domain distribution patently unbalanced for society as a whole?

Not entirely yet, or it would have already entered the political debate. However, in many ways the proliferation (and success) of alternative TLDs indicates that there is an issue. You shouldn't have to use an Indian Ocean domain because .com is squatted to the wazoo.

We have lived through the land-grab era, sooner or later the redistribution era will come.

> Should everyone be able to get a short dictionary word .com domain?

Considering there are less than a million 4-ascii-letter combinations, obviously not. But there could be more stringent criteria for assignment and revocation, like limits per-company and per-individual, escalating costs in a way that hoarding becomes uneconomical, banning parking (which is absolutely doable, you just need an actual human judge), and so on.

Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by ryanlol on Monday February 10, 2020 @03:10PM (#22292719)
The redistribution is happening every day, every day people are buying land-grab era domains they can extract value from.
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by franga2000 on Monday February 10, 2020 @10:36AM (#22289970)
The difference between domain names and let's say cars or boxes of paper, as you put it, is so obvious, I didn't think it needed saying. It's that (usable) domains are a unique and finite, whereas all your other examples are neither. You can't just wait for the next batch of domains to come out of the factory and buy them from their manufacturer (new gTLDs were an attempt at that and failed miserably).

It's the same problem as land. We have more and more people that need it, yet the supply is by definition finite. Hoarding it for yourself not only contributes nothing to the community, it actively prevents others from doing so.

Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by davinic on Monday February 10, 2020 @01:26PM (#22291767)
You are correct, but our entire economy is setup to reward the exact land hoarding that against which you are arguing. OP is asking why domain name ownership would be treated differently.
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by kerkeslager on Monday February 10, 2020 @11:35PM (#22296095)
"would" and "should" are not the same word.
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by ryanlol on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:19AM (#22289272)
> The "domain squatting" meme is intellectually dishonest and based on envy

Yup. Still waiting to hear a more nuanced explanation of the supposed “problem” than this.

Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by ryanlol on Monday February 10, 2020 @08:36AM (#22288937)
> Would it be an undue burden to require people like you to put up a page saying, "This is my personal domain which I use primarily for email."?

Yes, this is a terrible idea.

> Surely you can imagine a set of rules that shuts down a large number of domain squatters but allows your use case.

Nope, how do you intend to perform these usage audits?

Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by namibj on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:07AM (#22289177)
Random, but focused on those who register many domains?
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by ryanlol on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:10AM (#22289197)
That doesn’t really explain the implementation. How would you know that two domains are owned by the same person without completely revamping the role of registrars?
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by vibrafox on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:04AM (#22289157)
The MX record should be enough.
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by anonsivalley652 on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:01AM (#22289138)
I hate to say it, but "domain squatters" pay for domains like everyone else. You have to take the shit with the sugar in a free society, not shit on everyone's personal liberties with Code of Conducts or "occupation" requirements. There's no perfect policy or "solution" that can fix every moral panic without causing other problems. And not every moral panic needs to be fixed either. That's life, sorry.
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by bobbydroptables on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:27AM (#22289353)
The fact that they can pay for it doesn't mean they're entitled to it as a logical matter.

I'm not saying a fix is or isn't needed, but there are all kinds of things we restrict despite ability to pay. For example, you can't buy a social security number without a person or a physical address without physical land to tie it to.

Your comment doesn't prove your conclusion.

Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by anonsivalley652 on Monday February 10, 2020 @08:55AM (#22289081)
Yep. Busy bodies and control freaks shouldn't be allowed anywhere near power because they will abuse it and subject others to their fascist views. People should be allowed to do whatever they legally please with their domains.. it's their property, so long as they continue "leasing" them.
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by wan23 on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:19AM (#22289267)
Domain names are a limited resource and some are more valuable than others. They should be treated more like the way we treat land, where highly valuable land is heavily taxed to incentivize people to actually use it or sell it.
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by anonsivalley652 on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:29AM (#22289361)
You come across as possibly stuck in a scarcity and/or entitlement mindset too. There are effectively an unlimited supply of domains, and you're perfectly free to pick another one. If you want the right to register as many unregistered domains as you wish, bid on registered ones and generally live in a free society, you must accept that there are some unpreventable problems that come with it: like suicidal idiots with knifes, jerks who cut you off in traffic and "domain squatters." Aren't there bigger things to worry about, rather than worrying about what other people are doing with their property? It's not yours, after all, just because you covet it like Golum.
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by wan23 on Monday February 10, 2020 @11:54AM (#22290818)
I'm not sure why you think domains are property. When you "buy" a domain you're really leasing the right to use it for a fixed length of time. And anyway, the system of assigning names is not fixed upon stones sent to us from the heavens. Our goal should be to have a system that is as useful and fair as possible.
Re:Let ICANN know if you support .com price hikes by kuku4 on Monday February 10, 2020 @08:26AM (#22288875)
what's wrong with that?