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Re:WHO Director-General: “We may only be seeing the tip of t... by dcolkitt on Monday February 10, 2020 @05:06AM (#22287783)
Let me preface by saying I'm not an expert at all.

But as an outside observer just watching the stats, here's my biggest reason for being suspicious regarding the number. Right now there's five other provinces (Guangdong, Zhejiang, Henan, Hunan, and Anhui) with more than 800 confirmed cases.

For context that's the level Hubei (Wuhan) was at three weeks ago. To contextualize when Wuhan had O(1000) cases, before full quarantine, the infection was growing at a rate of 50-100% per day. In contrast all of the aforementioned provinces are now currently keeping growth below the target of 10% per day.

Now obviously, the infection control process will improve over time as we learn more about transmission. But none of those other provinces are in full quarantine like Wuhan. And yet, every single one of them is doing a remarkably better job than Wuhan was at the comparative point in the infection. In fact they're all doing even better than Wuhan did after it locked down to full quarantine.

That kind of rapid improvement in disease transmission control over the span of a few weeks is hard to believe. Every single province seems to be hitting their targets on every single day. Compared to a few weeks ago, the public health improvements are almost too large to be believable. Most likely, I'm being paranoid, but it does smell a little fishy.

Re:WHO Director-General: “We may only be seeing the tip of t... by ourlordcaffeine on Monday February 10, 2020 @05:29AM (#22287900)
You are not alone - users on reddit and weibo have also accused China of falsifying figures.

One reddit user fit a quadratic curve to the infection rate some time ago and used it to predict the number of infections.

https://old.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/f0anox/uantimonic_a...

Re:WHO Director-General: “We may only be seeing the tip of t... by infinity0 on Monday February 10, 2020 @06:22AM (#22288156)
> To contextualize when Wuhan had O(1000) cases, before full quarantine, the infection was growing at a rate of 50-100% per day. In contrast all of the aforementioned provinces are now currently keeping growth below the target of 10% per day.

This is how the figures have grown for confirmed cases, i.e. number of positive test results that came back. Not "actual real number of cases", which I'm sure the healthcare professionals and politicians in China are all aware of, as everyone else should be. It's already been clearly recognised that Wuhan/Hubei botched the early part of managing the epidemic, so the discrepancy you point out is pretty expected.

Re:WHO Director-General: “We may only be seeing the tip of t... by catalogia on Monday February 10, 2020 @05:58AM (#22288030)
Could this be attributed to increased public awareness/paranoia? Perhaps people, scared of the disease, are now acting more diligent about avoiding unnecessary social contact, washing their hands frequently, etc.
Re:WHO Director-General: “We may only be seeing the tip of t... by skriticos2 on Monday February 10, 2020 @07:18AM (#22288464)
I was thinking about that too - and all the articles about the Chinese ghost towns. Few people are going out most places where the epidemic is raging - society basically came to a stop. My guess is that that would indeed modify the function that dictates infection rates.

Now granted, the articles are anecdotal and not statistically representative, so there is some extrapolation in these assumptions. The actual numbers are probably somewhere in between.

Re:WHO Director-General: “We may only be seeing the tip of t... by Joe-Z on Monday February 10, 2020 @05:24AM (#22287872)
I'm not exactly sure what you're hinting at here:

Is it that China is underreporting new infections for the neighboring provinces now, or that they mis-reported stats of Hubei before?

Anyways, I must say I find it a little disconcerting to see such a statement (which I can only describe as fear-mongering) from the director of the WHO on a public plattform. Does he not have the means to contact officials directly and tell them what they should prepare for? His "call for calm" is 3 tweets in ffs

Re:WHO Director-General: “We may only be seeing the tip of t... by unethical_ban on Monday February 10, 2020 @09:47AM (#22289514)
He's suggesting the other provinces are getting underreported.