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Re:The AI delusion: why humans trump machines by Rury on Friday February 07, 2020 @05:52PM (#22271998)
Pain is a signal to your brain, which causes you to react to a stimuli.

Computers react to electrical inputs, and on some level can be considered reacting to a stimuli.

Is a computer therefore conscious?

Re:The AI delusion: why humans trump machines by goatlover on Saturday February 08, 2020 @08:53AM (#22275692)
Pain is an experience, not a physiological description. When you stub your toe, you feel pain, not a description of the biological mechanism.
Re:The AI delusion: why humans trump machines by TaupeRanger on Friday February 07, 2020 @07:29PM (#22272704)
No. The signal is not the pain. Pain signals are not feelings of pain. Pain happens in the mind.
Re:The AI delusion: why humans trump machines by Rury on Friday February 07, 2020 @08:27PM (#22273039)
Right, the mind processes it, and in turn does something, analogous to how computers process signals, and in turn do something.
Re:The AI delusion: why humans trump machines by blueadept111 on Saturday February 08, 2020 @01:36AM (#22274338)
Maybe analogous, maybe not. Analogy is in the eye of the beholder. There's no law of the universe that says that consciousness is equivalent to computation. Maybe consciousness is an emergent property of biological systems, along some dimension currently unknown to us.
Re:The AI delusion: why humans trump machines by Rury on Saturday February 08, 2020 @01:43PM (#22277510)
Which is my point.

Consciousness and computation are entirely up to what we define these words to mean. At some point we have to settle on a satisfactory definition of consciousness that fully differentiates it from computation, or they’re left with at least some overlapping (analogous) meaning.

If we dismiss consciousness as currently unknowable us, and thus undefinable (as your statement about dimensions alludes to), then how can we say assume with certainty, that we haven’t already achieved conscious AI?

Re:The AI delusion: why humans trump machines by blueadept111 on Friday February 07, 2020 @06:49PM (#22272438)
Does it feel pain? I think not.
Re:The AI delusion: why humans trump machines by Rury on Friday February 07, 2020 @08:37PM (#22273106)
Then what is pain, and how do we make computers artificially feel it?
Re:The AI delusion: why humans trump machines by goatlover on Saturday February 08, 2020 @08:55AM (#22275702)
If we knew the answer to that, there would be no hard problem of consciousness.