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Re:MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019) by stouset on Friday February 07, 2020 @10:49AM (#22267099)
This argument gets more and more ridiculous as time progresses. Apple is worth nearly ten times what it was eight years ago. It’s launched a watch which has, in a few short years, overtaken the entire Swiss watch industry in revenue.

This is just another take on the tired argument that Apple is only successful because of a core group of fanboys/girls who will buy anything just because it’s Apple, despite Apple’s customer base being an order of magnitude greater today than it was back then.

Re:MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019) by missosoup on Friday February 07, 2020 @10:57AM (#22267198)
I set some fairly short term and trivially verifiable predictions. Save this comment and come back to it at the end of this year.

Unless Apple's AR play succeeds, they're going to be left in the dust by Chinese offerings with better functionality at half the price.

Cook has had the better part of the decade to come up with something new, and has failed to deliver anything except incremental minor updates which are increasingly convergent on competitor offerings. There is clearly no vision.

Re:MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019) by stouset on Friday February 07, 2020 @11:30AM (#22267614)
Are you just going to pretend the AirPods and Apple Watch don’t exist? By themselves they’d be a Fortune 500 company.

“Minor updates”. You have to be joking.

Re:MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019) by missosoup on Friday February 07, 2020 @11:39AM (#22267717)
Are you going to pretend either AirPods or Apple Watch are meaningfully competitive against other offerings on the market?

There are headphones with better spec than airpods at half the price available right now. They're not locked to any ecosystem. Apple has no idea how to continue competing in the envelope of modern hardware because competitors either beat them or match them on every move but without the premium.

Save my comment. Check back in a year. It'll be a good lesson.

Re:MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019) by dahart on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:16PM (#22268230)
> Are you going to pretend either AirPods or Apple Watch are meaningfully competitive against other offerings on the market?

The definition of meaningfully competitive is growth, revenue, and market share. You're implying they're not competitive, which implies you think they're not making money. By what metric are they not competitive?

> There are headphones with better spec than airpods at half the price available right now. They're not locked to any ecosystem. Apple has no idea how to continue competing in the envelope of modern hardware because competitors either beat them or match them on every move but without the premium.

This claim has always been made, for 35 years, and has always been true of all Apple hardware. Yet they compete and make a lot of money. What you're demonstrating is you don't understand what Apple is making or why people buy their products. What you're demonstrating is that better spec cheaper hardware isn't enough to beat the competition.

Re:MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019) by selectodude on Friday February 07, 2020 @11:11AM (#22267358)
Let's see your AAPL puts then.