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Re:A proactive approach to e-scooter safety by ben_w on Thursday February 06, 2020 @11:53AM (#22257682)
From what I’ve heard (UK study reported about a decade ago in local news), drivers and cyclists jump red lights at about the same rate. However, because cyclists cycle at cycling speed and drivers drive at driving speed, any given cyclists sees fewer cyclists and more drivers than a driver, and vice versa, so both groups see evidence of more red light jumping by the other group than by their own group.
Re:A proactive approach to e-scooter safety by Spooky23 on Thursday February 06, 2020 @01:47PM (#22258919)
I wouldn't buy that.

I sat in a corner desk right on top of a major central business district intersection. Cars never ran the light, it's too busy and complex. Cyclists did reckless, stupid shit all of the time, running lights, cutting across the diagonal on the wrong side of the road, etc.

From my POV, drivers are more predictably dumb, and dangerous when they perceive low risk, for example, they run red lights in a low traffic neighborhood and are awful about a number of things. Cyclists are less consistent and perceive risk differently. Younger people who perceive themselves as invincible in particular.

End of the day, we should have better dedicated infrastructure for bicycles and other things.

Re:A proactive approach to e-scooter safety by Balero on Thursday February 06, 2020 @03:04PM (#22259756)
Having cycled in both the US and the UK, I think you both are right.

I have never seen a cyclist in the UK run a red light at a complex intersection (often only running the 'quiet' side of a T-junction, or an empty junction with a 20MPH speed limit and no cars in sight). Also worth noting is that the roads in UK cities are much narrower, I would guess 40-60, and often have less lanes and often have a bike lane of some sort.

In the US (California) I have seen all the crazy stuff. People running red through traffic, people doing a U-Turn, people going the wrong way, people crossing to go the wrong way, people blowing through a red light whilst on their phone.

However for cars, the UK has more stop lights that are for cars giving way to pedestrians, i.e. there is no junction. I have sometimes seen cars run a red on these when they don't notice/care. However in the US the red lights are at junctions, and are therefore more dangerous for cars (getting T-boned) I have however seen more people run these still.

Re:A proactive approach to e-scooter safety by pintxo on Thursday February 06, 2020 @12:22PM (#22258007)
Anecdotal observation is that drivers might run the red light for the first few seconds. But cyclists will run the red the moment they arrive at he light, independent of when it turned red. These are two very distinct types of running a red light.
Re:A proactive approach to e-scooter safety by ben_w on Thursday February 06, 2020 @01:42PM (#22258875)
I’ve seen both behaviours in both groups. But the point is worth caring about in any quantitative study.
Re:A proactive approach to e-scooter safety by brokenmachine on Thursday February 06, 2020 @06:52PM (#22261737)
I'm both a driver and a cyclist and I've seen orders of magnitude more cyclists running red lights than cars.