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Re:China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Corona... by AlbertoGP on Thursday February 06, 2020 @03:21AM (#22254414)
For those interested in knowing more about this, from people that have lived in China for a long time, had families there, and have daily contact with others that still live there, I recommend these videos:

“Coronavirus: the lies and the truths” (29th of January) “Let’s look at a timeline of what’s happened to see how slowly it has been dealt with, and how the information was actively suppressed.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSIt496d82s&t=1m2s

“Coronavirus - Doctors arrested for revealing the truth” (31st of January) “So by now you’ve undoubtedly heard that, right in the beginning, a number of people were arrested for spreading rumors when they first tried to discuss the fact that there was a new virus going around in China. Turns out these people were all doctors.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE7Iz7HLpYg&t=0m12s

Winston, the author of the second video, is in fact married to a Chinese doctor, and they keep in touch with their doctor friends in China. He also worked for years organizing training sessions for doctors all around China, so they both have direct knowledge about how those things work there and direct communication with people currently dealing with the situation on the ground.

They have more recent videos, but those two are the first ones I recommend watching. Their channels are: - laowhy86: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChvithwOECK5g_19TjldMKw - serpentza: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl7mAGnY4jh4Ps8rhhh8XZg - ADVChina (their joint channel): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwNPa8fSXzzAZuT9859GVhg

Edit: a brief take on this from the BBC (4th of February): “... well, we know that some warnings were ignored or silenced. Let’s focus on this doctor, he was working at Wuhan central hospital and noticed seven cases that he thought looked like SARS (that’s a virus that led to a global epidemic in 2003) and in December he posted a warning about a potential outbreak in a chat group with fellow medics. Shortly afterwards he was summoned by Police and accused of making false statements, and being told he’d severely disturbed the social order. He was then given this document to sign. [...] «We solemny warn you: If you keep being stubborn, with such impertinence, and continue this illegal activity, you will be brought to justice - is that understood?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRggIb5Je_w&t=4m0s

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Re:China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Corona... by AlbertoGP on Thursday February 06, 2020 @11:27AM (#22257359)
This just in: that doctor that raised the first alarm and was silenced back in December has died from it:

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1178792.shtml

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1225440373880782848

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Re:China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Corona... by c0restraint on Thursday February 06, 2020 @07:49PM (#22262132)
Neither of those links are working for me right now... first one is “not found” and second one is “doesn’t exist”
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Re:China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Corona... by AlbertoGP on Friday February 07, 2020 @11:39AM (#22267721)
Yes, both GlobalTimes and WHO just pulled those links, instead of posting a correction, after the authorities decided to plug him to an ECMO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extracorporeal_membrane_oxygen...) machine to defuse the massive uproar in China about his death, then had to declare him dead again.

Others like The Guardian updated their articles, keeping the URL, as the situation changed. After the announcement that he was being kept alive, they added a paragraph at the top of the article explaining that, and later when he was finally confirmed dead updated that note to simply say “Early reports of death of Li Wenliang were retracted, only for doctor to succumb to disease later in day”: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/06/whistleblower-...

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Re:China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Corona... by BiasRegularizer on Thursday February 06, 2020 @05:05AM (#22254853)
Here's the actual news from Jan 1 reporting on the 8 "rumor spreaders". They kept emphasizing that there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission. It's pathetic to look at now. (sorry the article is in Chinese)

https://www.guancha.cn/politics/2020_01_01_530191.shtml?s=zw...

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Re:China Sacrifices a Province to Save the World From Corona... by tim333 on Thursday February 06, 2020 @05:03AM (#22254847)
Todays FT also has a good article "Coronavirus: the cost of China’s public health cover-up" https://www.ft.com/content/fa83463a-4737-11ea-aeb3-955839e06...
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