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Re:‘We feel really terrible,’ says chief executive whose app... by taurath on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @07:31PM (#22252362)
I really don't see a lot of accountability in any of his statements. It just seems like "well this thing went wrong, somehow, and its nobodies fault and hey nothing was lost". I find that to be absolutely abhorrant. Think about if you're one of their junior developers - you'd probably be blaming yourself for whatever bug that happened to get in. That the CEO wouldn't take any responsibility is a complete lack of leadership.

To those devs, jr or otherwise - every step that was supposed to protect against a failure in the app seems to have failed here, and you should not feel bad. Mistakes happen and should be expected, but the damage that they are allowed to wreck is the blame of poor management, not you.

Re:‘We feel really terrible,’ says chief executive whose app... by alpb on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @07:33PM (#22252377)
Every single executive in this little software company used to work at Clinton's 2016 campaign [1] so they have political connections.

Not to mention, political parties aren't transparently run in many cases like we've seen in 2016 Democratic National Committee email leak. Most likely, these people are feeding off of their political connections and harvesting donation money from not just the party, but also the candidates [2].

This is also why I'm no longer donating to a political party directly, or a candidate who would in turn would do the same. It seems like the only independent candidate running under democratic party is keeping his campaign money in-house.

[1] https://www.crn.com/slide-shows/applications-os/who-is-shado...

[2] https://twitter.com/BustinTrudeau/status/1224697566182498306

Re:‘We feel really terrible,’ says chief executive whose app... by 6nf on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @07:37PM (#22252397)
These developers also developed Buttigieg's campaign software and Buttigieg donated to help develop the caucus app.
Re:‘We feel really terrible,’ says chief executive whose app... by erulabs on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @08:12PM (#22252611)
I believe that that is false: https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/feb/04/what-we-know-...

It looks like multiple campaigns (including the one the most to lose and the one with most to gain from a confusing Iowa) paid Shadow for services - Buttigieg’s campaign was not an investor, and does not appear to have anything to do with the development of the app. Do you have any sources for your claim?

> Some claims, such as that the Iowa caucus app was funded by Buttigieg, mischaracterize what we know.

> Buttigieg’s campaign wasn’t involved in the app’s development.

Re:‘We feel really terrible,’ says chief executive whose app... by 6nf on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @08:35PM (#22252722)
> Buttigieg’s campaign was not an investor, and does not appear to have anything to do with the development of the app. Do you have any sources for your claim?

This was not my claim at all

Re:‘We feel really terrible,’ says chief executive whose app... by sokoloff on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @09:23PM (#22252940)
When you said "and Buttigieg donated to help develop the caucus app" was that anything to do with the development of the app or not?
Re:‘We feel really terrible,’ says chief executive whose app... by 6nf on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @09:37PM (#22253005)
It was not an investment and Buttigieg did not commission the app but they did help to pay for it by donating money to the Iowa dem group that was had the app developed last year
Re:‘We feel really terrible,’ says chief executive whose app... by otachack on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @07:53PM (#22252506)
No COI to see here, folks.

Why isn't the DNC harder on crap like this?

Re:‘We feel really terrible,’ says chief executive whose app... by commandar on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @07:58PM (#22252538)
>Why isn't the DNC harder on crap like this?

Well, for starters, because the DNC doesn't run the Iowa caucus.

Re:‘We feel really terrible,’ says chief executive whose app... by munk-a on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @08:19PM (#22252648)
The DNC doesn't directly run the caucus, but the DNC (or maybe, more precisely, the democratic party) chooses to accept the results of the Iowa caucus and subsidizes (or entirely funds) the running of the caucus.

Additionally, the Iowa dem caucus (and primaries) aren't a governmental thing, the political parties aren't government organizations - they're private organizations that are just _all about the government and politics_ as such the Iowa caucus is really weirdly in a grey zone where there is even less necessary oversight than the administration of the general election in Iowa will have - but sort of more oversight since the DNC could just reject the results outright... Buuuut things like the voting rights act have forced some regulations into primary operation - it's all quite confusing...

The TL;DR though is that the DNC doesn't technically run the Iowa caucus but is more than capable of making the Iowa dem caucus committee feel a whole lot of pain and hold them accountable.

Re:‘We feel really terrible,’ says chief executive whose app... by munk-a on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @07:59PM (#22252547)
This is a political response but I think it's important to highlight that the DNC seems quite enthused about Buttigieg, lowering the likelihood that they'll pursue anything about a connection between his campaign and Shadow when compared to more fringe candidates like Warren, Steyer, Yang or Sanders.
Re:‘We feel really terrible,’ says chief executive whose app... by thedance on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @07:56PM (#22252526)
The national party does not operate state elections and caucuses.
Re:‘We feel really terrible,’ says chief executive whose app... by AndrewBissell on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @07:59PM (#22252544)
The DNC is composed of Clinton loyalists who want to stop Bernie Sanders from winning the nomination. John freaking Podesta was named to the Rules Committee for the national convention in Milwaukee.
Re:‘We feel really terrible,’ says chief executive whose app... by maxlybbert on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @11:09PM (#22253359)
I doubt anyone will publish a good post mortem. I agree somebody is responsible for such a high profile failure, but I’m sure that the wrong person will be chosen as the scapegoat.

The app itself doesn’t sound like it needed to be that complex, and by all accounts, it wasn’t. But it feels like the company believed that the secret to a successful rollout was to ask the developer beforehand “are you sure there won’t be any problems?”

Every time I’ve been involved in releasing a web service, the step before “tell the world that the software is live” has been “make one or more complete end-to-end requests to make sure everything is running correctly.” The company clearly skipped that step: they announced the project was live without first making a single end-to-end request. We know that because the problems people reported and the problems that the company has described would have made it impossible for any upload to succeed.

Re:‘We feel really terrible,’ says chief executive whose app... by xmzx on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @07:55PM (#22252522)
"We need more time testing this app, sir" - Dev

"No" - Manager

"But it could..." - Dev

"I don't care." - Manager

"Okay :(" - Dev

Re:‘We feel really terrible,’ says chief executive whose app... by alexeiz on Thursday February 06, 2020 @10:58AM (#22256994)
We'll test in production.