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Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by allovernow on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @04:49PM (#22241380)
The owners and staffers at Shadow INC have a severe conflict of interest. The company is loaded with former Clinton staffers and the CEO sent a tweet in support of Buttigeig, who recently paid tens of thousands to the company.

Other suspicious dealings are a premature victory announcement by Buttigeig's campaign and a leak of a picture of paper tallies which included a PIN allegedly used to login to the tally app. Looking for the tweet now...

>https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/02/04/shado...

Edit: I'm not necessarily trying to suggest anything, but I'd like to point out that this post went from +10 to +2 in a matter of minutes.

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by hcknwscommenter on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @07:12PM (#22242631)
" I'm not necessarily trying to suggest anything"

Aren't you though? I mean, your post is essentially "CLINTON" "ALLEGED" "SEVERE" "LEAK" . Lot's of words meant to imply some grand conspiracy. The reality is almost certainly that the developer (who has an unfortunate name) probably just didn't have enough time/budget to put out a decent product. Not everything is an actual conspiracy.

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by allovernow on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @07:26PM (#22242728)
Is it really difficult to believe that a group of people in charge of something may be biased?

Calling it a "conspiracy" theory is just dismissive slander at this point. People have conspired successfully to achieve far greater and more malicious goals.

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by hcknwscommenter on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @07:38PM (#22242843)
That would be an awful lot of work for such a tiny gain. And it doesn't scale. AT ALL. What moron would go to the trouble? Iowa picks corn, not presidents.
Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by allovernow on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @08:46PM (#22243247)
What hard work? How many devs do you have to pay off to write a handful of lines of code manipulating a secret ballot, especially when they may be willing because of personal bias? We know electronic voting in its current implementation is severely vulnerable to tampering, both external and internal.
Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by asdff on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @12:05AM (#22244190)
Good thing Iowa used paper ballots then. This was a tally tool, not a voting tool, luckily.

I think Georgia might be the most notorious for the behavior you describe.

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by allovernow on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @12:47AM (#22244339)
>I think Georgia might be the most notorious for the behavior you describe.

I don't know if you're baiting me but personally I don't think corruption is limited to Democrats. Particularly if both sides start to believe the other is secretly cheating.

It feels like the American system works when a critical majority are playing with good faith - and that good faith is increasingly lacking.

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by nl on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @08:06PM (#22243031)
Calling it a "conspiracy" theory is just dismissive slander at this point.

Aren't you literally proposing that there is a conspiracy? And since there is no evidence then isn't that a theory?

What do you think it should be called? "conspiracy speculation"/"conspiracy hypothesis"/"possibility of a conspiracy"?

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by davidwitt415 on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @07:05PM (#22242567)
Apparently, the app wasn't wasn't released until Feb 1. Also, The New York Times reported that the Iowa Democratic Party was secretive about using the app, and that it asked that Shadow’s name be withheld from the public. "According to a person familiar with the app, its creators had repeatedly questioned the need to keep it secret, especially from the Iowa precincts where it would be used."

This doesn't necessarily mean there is a huge conspiracy, but the optics -and the reality- of the party machine functioning properly is terrible, and the choice is between incompetence or malfeasance. Either way, they shot themselves in the foot, and it's not a good look.

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by stevenwoo on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @09:36PM (#22243501)
As someone is not a huge fan of Democratic party - no conspiracy but total incompetence by Shadow - https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/4/21122737/iowa-democractic-... It's like they had no one on their staff who actually released an app through the Android or iOs app stores.
Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by sl1ck731 on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @05:13PM (#22241614)
Should a company's employees/CEO have to be apolitical? I'd be surprised if there is such a company where none of its employees are involved in politics in any way. Especially if its a company whose sole purpose is developing software for a political party.
Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by allovernow on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @05:33PM (#22241815)
No, but until recently it was professional to keep your politics private and, more importantly, when there are inconsistencies disproportionately favoring an otherwise less popular candidate, public support from employees and especially the CEO, in conjunction with a money trail, these personal indicators of bias become relevant for justification of suspicion.
Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by jmull on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @07:08PM (#22242595)
How is this even helping Buttigieg?

There doesn’t seem to be any indication this was anything but a regular screwup. Throwing around suggestions of a vague conspiracy looks unwarranted.

You’re suggesting that to avoid suspicion companies providing services to political campaigns must be apolitical and to have never previously provided services to a candidate in the race or any previous opponent of a candidate in the race. How could that even be possible?

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by kyrieeschaton on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @09:46PM (#22243547)
What? In the case of the hypothesis, he gets more delegates. He also gets to take them from the person he is screwing (likely Sanders). Both of those immediate rewards have their own payoffs down the line (eg, in Buttigieg receiving an appointment to a grateful Warren administration or what have you) even if he does not win.

The idea that the Democratic nominating process would be rigged is not ipso facto crazy given that it is publicly acknowledged to have actually happened last election cycle.

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by jmull on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @10:31PM (#22243767)
Well, no. The problem with the app is delaying the result not changing it. There’s a paper trail of everything and the app can’t change it.

Maybe you can provide more details of your hypothesis, but what you have so far doesn’t make sense.

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by jessaustin on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @10:25PM (#22243740)
How is this even helping Buttigieg?

The count has been frozen at "62%" for six hours now. That just happens to be the first/only level at which "Mayor Pete" had a delegate lead over Bernie, even though Bernie still leads the popular vote. Several days from now, when the count ticks up to 100%, Bernie will lead both measures by large margins. Still, in the meantime, the corporate media can pretend like the Mayor is ahead. They know he's going to bomb in SC worse than Biden bombed in Iowa, but they're hoping that somehow they can get him to "Super Tuesday" when the other Mayor can take over for him due to his 9-figure ad spend.

Of course, the idea that the perfect candidate to beat a vain old NY rich guy is another vain old NY rich guy who also banned soft drinks the last time he held elected office is risible, but they don't care about that. The point is to ratfuck any candidate who might plausibly do fewer stupid wars.

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by jmull on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @11:04PM (#22243909)
But your scenario doesn’t actually help Buttigieg. Also the app people can’t control the timing of the manual reporting, so there would somehow be a completely new element of the conspiracy. And you’re switching from a conspiracy orchestrated by Buttigieg to one orchestrated by the corporate media, Bloomberg, and/or the industrial military complex.
Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by jessaustin on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @09:50AM (#22247077)
Buttigieg is 38 years old. His previous jobs were with McKinsey and "military intelligence" and his previous election total was 8,000 votes. He isn't trying to win the presidency. Iowa itself is a tiny state with a tiny number of convention delegates. The whole point of Iowa is that the winner gets some momentum. In this case, the winner won't get any momentum. That's the point.

Some people like to bore us with the "once is a coincidence" maxim. Some of them might like to pretend that this caucus is "once" and we'll have to wait a week or two to get upset about the ratfucking. Normal voters can remember four years ago, however, and this isn't even just the fourth time the national "Democratic" apparatus has ratfucked Bernie.

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by allovernow on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @07:28PM (#22242758)
No, I'm saying those in support of ostensibly neutral third parties should not be making tweets indicating strong bias for one of the parties they are charged with treating neutrally.

Is it really so difficult to keep your public persona neutral and vanilla if you're a damn CEO? Wasn't this standard practice until recently? What, because Trump vomits on Twitter 24/7 everyone else needs to as well?

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by jmull on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @07:38PM (#22242847)
You think it’s OK for CEOs of companies providing services to political campaigns to have political opinions as long as they keep them secret?

I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, so here’s your chance: any particular reason we shouldn’t dismiss you as not being serious?

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by allovernow on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @08:42PM (#22243219)
>You think it’s OK for CEOs of companies providing services to political campaigns to have political opinions as long as they keep them secret?

No, I think it's questionable when a CEO publicly discloses a strong political bias, receives private funds from the personally favored candidate, has cordial photos with the candidate at social events, and then is hired by the DNC and charged with being unbiased in a secret, electronically controlled ballot.

There are tens of millions of dollars changing hands in the ramp up to the election. This is not a complex scheme involving millions of mouths to keep shut and olympic mental gymnastics to justify. A handful of politically leaning and/or paid off devs add a package to the code and you have whatever results you want.

Ask yourself, do you really think corruption only exists outside of the United States? The bottom line is there are many discrepancies which happen to align toward a possibly calculated malicious intent. This feels like a "conspiracy theory" because there are so many tenuously linked components and no hard proof - but that's how any real life unfolding event looks until people have poured over it for months post facto and sorted through everything.

In any case what I'm saying is that there's plenty of incompetence and bias here to at least be prudently suspicious.

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by anarazel on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @11:55PM (#22244138)
> charged with being unbiased in a secret, electronically controlled ballot.

The Iowa Caucuses are neither secret (like absurdly not) nor electronic?

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by dv_dt on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @05:33PM (#22241816)
If you're in the vote counting business, it's a conflict of interest to also be in the vote making business for candidates.
Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by asdff on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @12:17AM (#22244250)
Good thing they are in the tally business and not the counting business, then. What is the difference, you might ask? One failed last night while the other one is occurring right now.
Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by dv_dt on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @03:23PM (#22250630)
I'm not really feeling the difference between counting and tallying, but even keeping that distinction, it still sounds to me like they're mostly not in the tally business for lack of performance. If they had performed, it would still be a conflict of interest, just one none of us would likely have heard about. I feel that doesn't make anything better.
Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by jedberg on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @05:20PM (#22241684)
They don't have to be, but much like with insider trading rules, it's better to avoid even the appearance of a possible conflict.
Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by shevek_ on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @06:08PM (#22242132)
It is not a controversial statement to say that an election shouldn't be run with closed software made by a private company with financial, personal, and professional ties to one of the candidates. If something like this happened elsewhere in the world the US would use it as pretext for intervention.
Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by redisman on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @05:36PM (#22241844)
It's easy to find a connection (left-leaning-politics-tech is a small network) and it makes for juicy conspiracy headlines.
Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by lastpingstandin on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @11:43PM (#22244090)
If there was some grand conspiracy here, wouldn't it make more sense to release a working front end, and do whatever evil machinations / rigging behind the scenes...

Intentionally releasing a broken app is an idiotic excuse for a conspiracy.

Re:The Shadow Inc. app that failed in Iowa last night by asdff on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @12:07AM (#22244194)
If there was some grand conspiracy there wouldn't even be a news story. We'd have read Iowas results in the early hours of the morning and moved on with our lives.