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Re:Children as young as 9 locked up by Indian Police for spe... by JoshTriplett on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @03:38PM (#22240679)
Absolutely not. Freedom of association is no less important. You don't have a right to force others to put up with you.

https://xkcd.com/1357/

People make and break friendships, or make any number of other associations, based on any factors they want, such as common interests and opinions, aligned goals and values, or just a common idea of fun and enjoyment. People have a right to decide who is welcome and who isn't, by any number of factors (modulo the interaction of protected classes with services offered to the public).

"Obnoxious" is not a protected class, nor should it be. You have a right to not be arrested for your words or opinions or expression. You are not entitled to (for instance) other people's business, patronage, custom, service, friendship, or any other kind of association. You do not have the right to control other people's reactions to you.

It doesn't matter if we're talking about a hobby group, a sports team, a software project, a company, or a social network. "I don't enjoy being around this person" is more than reason enough to stop associating with someone, let alone more critical reasons such as "I don't want to be around someone who wants to deprive me of my rights as a person" or "this person is driving other people away".

See also the Geek Social Fallacies: http://plausiblydeniable.com/opinion/gsf.html

And to turn that around, you're free to associate with people who feel differently, and others are free to judge you based on those associations too.

Re:Children as young as 9 locked up by Indian Police for spe... by dependenttypes on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @03:56PM (#22240863)
In that case please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22240363

> I don't enjoy being around this person" is more than reason enough to stop associating with someone

So I should be able refuse to sell bread to someone with green hair, right? Or if they have a specific skin deformation.

Now, what if all shops in an area refuse to sell food to people with these characteristics?

> let alone more critical reasons such as "I don't want to be around someone who wants to deprive me of my rights as a person"

In that case I will be able to pretty much ban anyone I want as the vast majority of people think that certain victimless crimes should be illegal (and thus they deprive me of my rights as a person), right?

Re:Children as young as 9 locked up by Indian Police for spe... by JoshTriplett on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @05:15PM (#22241634)
The lovely thing is that there's no symmetry required here. Excluding someone because they're intolerant/obnoxious/etc is very different than excluding someone because of who they are. It's perfectly consistent to consider it morally wrong to exclude someone because of who they are, and simultaneously consider it not wrong to exclude someone because of their prejudice. Those exclusions are not equivalent, and do not need to be treated as such.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

If you are looking to argue against that, feel free to do it with someone else.

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Re:Children as young as 9 locked up by Indian Police for spe... by dang on Friday February 07, 2020 @04:00AM (#22264290)
Bringing up someone's employer in the middle of a flamewar is a really bad idea. Maybe you just sincerely became more interested in whether ME will be open-sourced, but a general reader (let alone the person you've just been in a flamewar with) could easily read this in a much nastier way; so please don't go there.

Also, please don't do this sort of flamewar on HN to begin with. It's tedious, predictable, and nasty. We're trying for a quite different sort of forum here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re:Children as young as 9 locked up by Indian Police for spe... by dependenttypes on Friday February 07, 2020 @05:35AM (#22264751)
> Bringing up someone's employer in the middle of a flamewar is a really bad idea

Guess I should have sent an email instead. In general I expect my posts to be understood as they are.

> Also, please don't do this sort of flamewar on HN to begin with

If you told me what exactly I said in the post that I should try to avoid from now I would appreciate it. I did not post anything with the intention of being flamewar-y, rather my posts were just sincere questions.