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Re:Google tracks individual users per Chrome installation ID by throwawa66 on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @10:23AM (#22236528)
More and more people are blocking ads. Google’s business model is under threat. They will turn into hyenas in order to survive.
Re:Google tracks individual users per Chrome installation ID by eitland on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @10:26AM (#22236581)
Good point. Although I feel their hyena nature has been visible for a while now and what we are now seeing is hungry hyena :-)
Re:Google tracks individual users per Chrome installation ID by throwawa66 on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @10:43AM (#22236812)
Oh it will get worse. Youtube will be riddled with ads every 5 minutes or so. Will take the cable tv path soon. The good news is that their greed will eventually crash themselves.

Hey, i dont mind a little ad here and there even though I give 0 fucks about any product being advertised. But the quantity is becoming hard to process without adblockers. Had they not taken the full evil mode path I’d have considered paying for youtube.

I think im better of weaning myself off almost completely. Or alternatives...

Re:Google tracks individual users per Chrome installation ID by kmlx on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @10:29AM (#22236618)
i think their business model is just fine: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/9to5google.com/2020/02/03/alp...
Re:Google tracks individual users per Chrome installation ID by falcolas on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @10:44AM (#22236815)
There's a certain irony of linking to an amp site on Google's domain as part of a larger discussion about their business ethics.
Re:Google tracks individual users per Chrome installation ID by lern_too_spel on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @11:43AM (#22237675)
Re:Google tracks individual users per Chrome installation ID by falcolas on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @11:50AM (#22237783)
How about just https://9to5google.com/2020/02/03/alphabet-q4-2019-earnings/ ?

No amp required, under 1 second to display content. I will say that it's a bit beefy at 5mb total, though the AMP site loads the same amount.

Re:Google tracks individual users per Chrome installation ID by lern_too_spel on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @11:55AM (#22237858)
You complained that it was hosted on Google specifically. I tested that Chrome specifically copies the canonical URL and not the location bar URL when I share that AMP page, which doesn't fit your narrative.

Also, the reason the AMP page is faster is that it prerenders above the fold from a SERP, not due to total page weight.

Re:Google tracks individual users per Chrome installation ID by falcolas on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @12:44PM (#22238526)
AMP is, hosting aside, a problematic project when it comes to Google's business ethics.

And the differences in rendering speed were negligible, to my eyes. IIRC from the dev tools, it was about 1/10th of a second difference to get readable content.

Re:Google tracks individual users per Chrome installation ID by throwawa66 on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @01:19PM (#22238985)
AMP is basically gobbling up other contributor’s content and shamelessly profits at the expense of the content owner. As an end user I also don’t like amp. Im on duckduckgo now
Re:Google tracks individual users per Chrome installation ID by lern_too_spel on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @01:26PM (#22239091)
> And the differences in rendering speed were negligible, to my eyes

Reread my previous post. You didn't load it from a SERP. That's what AMP is useful for, instant loading from link aggregators.

> AMP is, hosting aside, a problematic project when it comes to Google's business ethics.

How, especially considering that Google's browser does not share AMP URLs? Is RSS a problematic project? How about GTFS or microdata? All three give the user a better experience at the expense of the publisher.

Re:Google tracks individual users per Chrome installation ID by falcolas on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @03:27PM (#22240563)
> instant loading from link aggregators

Per research tests which look at load times and abandonment, under 1 second has the same retention as instant. So, AMP provides no practical benefits here.

> How [is AMP problematic]?

A large number of electrons have been spilled on this topic. I recommend reading one of those. It really comes across as an attempt to argue in bad faith by ignoring these well-distributed (especially on HN) concerns; even worse to try and paint RSS and similar as harmful.

Thank you for the conversation, good luck!

Re:Google tracks individual users per Chrome installation ID by lern_too_spel on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @05:22PM (#22241696)
> Per research tests which look at load times and abandonment, under 1 second has the same retention as instant.

Citation needed.

> A large number of electrons have been spilled on this topic.

Most of those electrons have been spilled by people who do not understand what AMP does, which included you until you had read the GP post. Those arguments are nonsensical to somebody who does understand what AMP does.

> even worse to try and paint RSS and similar as harmful.

I do not think RSS is harmful, but your stated reasons for claiming that AMP is harmful apply equally well to RSS. Your argument is therefore inconsistent with itself.