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Re:Britain’s Productivity Decline Is the Worst in 250 Years by lazyjones on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @02:58AM (#22233354)
It's the secret of Germany's successful run before the recent slump and possibly the only way to deal with the increased immigration of unqualified people.
Re:Britain’s Productivity Decline Is the Worst in 250 Years by bilekas on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @06:38AM (#22234464)
> increased immigration of unqualified people

What ? Can you share the research supporting that ?

Also I can't wait to see the Pro-Brexit teams out picking fruits and washing toilets & floors.

Re:Britain’s Productivity Decline Is the Worst in 250 Years by rjldev on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @07:46AM (#22234909)
They will if the wages for these jobs increase due to decreased labour competition. That or there's more starter jobs for teenagers
Re:Britain’s Productivity Decline Is the Worst in 250 Years by coolplants on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @07:06AM (#22234630)
Why can’t you wait to see pro-brexit teams picking fruit, etc.? Are you implying that low-skill jobs are degrading/undignified?
Re:Britain’s Productivity Decline Is the Worst in 250 Years by grabeh on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @07:23AM (#22234736)
No, they're implying that there's been a failure by pro-leavers to acknowledge that many of these roles have been in the recent past been performed by immigrants from Europe.

Now with the UK's departure, employers may struggle to fill vacancies (and indeed it appears they have been - see link below), so the poster was sarcastically suggesting that they can't wait to see pro-leavers performing these tasks because it seems like in many cases UK nationals aren't willing to perform these types of roles.

The nature of the role is irrelevant and the poster wasn't suggesting that pro-leavers should be subject to degradation!

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/11/tonnes-of-c...

Re:Britain’s Productivity Decline Is the Worst in 250 Years by coolplants on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @07:41AM (#22234863)
All we know is that UK nationals aren’t willing to do those jobs at the wages being offered. If employers raise wages to something liveable and decent then it’s reasonable to assume employment in those areas will increase.
Re:Britain’s Productivity Decline Is the Worst in 250 Years by lazyjones on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @09:42AM (#22236017)
And this is precisely why the "output per hour" is likely to go up post-Brexit for such jobs, although admittedly there are also plenty of high earners leaving the UK (though they'll eventually be replaced by qualified immigrants or locals).
Re:Britain’s Productivity Decline Is the Worst in 250 Years by grabeh on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @07:57AM (#22234990)
Yes, of course. I was just explaining why I thought you'd misinterpreted the original poster's comment.
Re:Britain’s Productivity Decline Is the Worst in 250 Years by coolplants on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @08:04AM (#22235036)
Well I think he was hostile and resentful and that’s not cool. I also sincerely and in good faith can’t wait to see less people exploited for cheap labor and more of my fellow Britons employed with a decent wage for once.
Re:Britain’s Productivity Decline Is the Worst in 250 Years by bilekas on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @08:17AM (#22235152)
Hostile no, but I can see the market still needing unskilled labour of course, and I genuinely hope for your sake that it doesnt just cause the prices to increase dramatically.

I'm not from nor living in the UK but I sure hope things work out.

My post was a dig at the idea that all the UK needs to allow into the country is highly skilled people. I don't buy that argument.. But lets see.

Re:Britain’s Productivity Decline Is the Worst in 250 Years by coolplants on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @08:24AM (#22235219)
You’re right, a relatively large influx of foreign workers of any skill level is harmful to all people, but especially the local people if it causes a reduction in wages.

If the cost of goods increases, it won’t likely be severe since it serves the entire population while only a small percentage of the population produce the goods. Also changing prices affects demand independently from cost of production.

Re:Britain’s Productivity Decline Is the Worst in 250 Years by bildung on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @06:41AM (#22234483)
Sadly there was no successful run. While this made unemployment rates look better, it has been shown that the absolute amount of hours worked hasn't increased in that period. In other words: 1 good job became 2 bad jobs, which meant less contributions into welfare and pension funds (both of which are essentially federal, not company based in Germany).

It also lowered aggregate demand, and this lack of domestic demand partly explains why Germany has so many problems recovering from the crisis.

Re:Britain’s Productivity Decline Is the Worst in 250 Years by lazyjones on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @09:51AM (#22236111)
> Sadly there was no successful run.

Depends how you look at it - they certainly had an impressive account surplus, for 4 consecutive years (currently world leading $293b).

> 1 good job became 2 bad jobs, which meant less contributions into welfare and pension funds

This means lower contributions but also much lower payout for welfare.

> this lack of domestic demand partly explains why Germany has so many problems recovering from the crisis.

AFAICT domestic demand in Germany is still strong, but clearly attempting to boost it through welfare proved to be an inferior strategy.