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Re:Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video] by damon_c on Monday February 03, 2020 @03:53PM (#22228937)
A neural network needs to be taught this and then all cars with that training will respond correctly forever.

Every individual human would need to learn this separately from experience, which would require far more soccer balls (and children).

Re:Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video] by rcoveson on Monday February 03, 2020 @05:32PM (#22230061)
As you have implied in your example, humans cannot make observations about the present and reason about the near future. As a result, they must learn the consequences of any action by experiencing it.

So the situation is really much worse than you describe. Even if we invested in demonstrating the "soccer ball and child" scenario for all driving students, they wouldn't be able to apply the experience to tennis balls and dogs, or a child entering the road without any sort of ball. Teaching people to drive would require an exhaustive course in every conceivable scenario that might arise while driving. You can see why it's an intractable problem.

Re:Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video] by notahacker on Monday February 03, 2020 @05:00PM (#22229695)
I've yet to meet a human that needs to observe enormous numbers of balls and children against a number of different backdrops before they grasp the concept that they're different from the background environments, never mind potentially linked to unsafe road use.

The conclusion that a neural network classifies stuff 'correctly forever' is also not one supported by the current state of computer vision.

Re:Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video] by lexpar on Monday February 03, 2020 @04:22PM (#22229280)
By "taught this" do you mean kill a kid?
Re:Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video] by baq on Monday February 03, 2020 @04:55PM (#22229647)
Run this scenario in a thousand variants in sims.
Re:Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video] by gpm on Monday February 03, 2020 @04:51PM (#22229586)
No. He means see a human avoid killing a kid.
Re:Tesla's self driving algorithm's overlay [video] by throwaway55554 on Monday February 03, 2020 @03:56PM (#22228992)
It's not that hard for people to learn; see a ball, expect danger and take action.

The problem with people is distraction. The problem with code (AI-ish) is people.