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Re:Google Maps Hacks by jrochkind1 on Sunday February 02, 2020 @10:35PM (#22221231)
So I'm stuck in a traffic jam, and google maps is telling me I can take an alternate route to avoid it and save 25 minutes vs waiting in the traffic jam. Something that occurs to me as I sit in this traffic...

what portion of all the other driver's around me also looking at google maps? Is Google Maps telling them to take the same alternate route as me? Are they all going to do it? If they all do it, does the alternate route (which likely can't handle as much traffic as the original route) just became as jammed as waiting in traffic? Or even worse, if they're all going to do what google maps says, would I in fact be much better off ignoring it and sticking to the original route?

It's hard to tell what's imagination/selection bias, but following google maps traffic-jam-avoidance suggestions has seemed disastrous enough to me enough times that I mostly just stick to the original route now. (Of course, one could also imagine using one's own route knowledge to pick an alternate route of one's own without google maps...)

I suppose google maps could be smart enough to tell half the people to go one way and half the other... I kind of doubt it is, but one could imagine a computerized route direction system which, if enough driver's had it, could actually maximize efficiency by sending different drivers different routes intentionally... I'm not holding my breath for it.

Re:Google Maps Hacks by theSuda on Monday February 03, 2020 @09:56AM (#22224629)
Two weeks ago in Atlanta, I was dropping my wife to the Airport. Atlanta traffic was doing it's thing (not moving). Google said it found alternate route that will save 7 minutes. I was like meh. Then it said 10 minutes so I took the turn. I don't know how many people did the same but I ended up spending half an hour extra in some internal road and half of it was being stuck in a right turn lane that rejoined the original highway I was on. So if I had kept on the slow moving highway I would have definitely reached much earlier than the alternate route. Bottom line is that the 'Save time' works only when the alternate route is truly alternate and not just a detour and rejoin the same highway as you will get stuck on the ramp while joining back.
Re:Google Maps Hacks by rland on Sunday February 02, 2020 @10:52PM (#22221293)
Well the other route presumably has a significant throughput. If 1000 car/min are in traffic, and the side-road has a 200 car/min capacity, the first 20% of people to leave the main road will experience no additional traffic.

Now, let's say that the 200 car/min turns to a bottleneck of 100 car/min if it's overwhelmed 10 mins downstream of the turnoff. If google routes >200 car/min to the turnoff, there will eventually be a significant traffic jam: cars will pile up at the bottleneck, and even if waze stops routing to the turnoff at that point, the jam would still travel upwards like a pressure wave until it hits the turnoff.

I'd have a hard time believing it's possible for waze to know beforehand what those throughputs are, so some situations like this must occur.

Re:Google Maps Hacks by alistairSH on Monday February 03, 2020 @08:56AM (#22224106)
These situations absolutely occur. Something like this happened to me in Alexandria, VA, trying to cross the Woodrow Wilson bridge into MD. I-495 was slow across the bridge. Waze re-directed me off the interstate into residential side streets, along with thousands of other travelers. The side-streets were every bit as jammed as the highway. It took me 3 hours to disentangle myself from that mess. Was it faster than staying on the highway? No idea, but 3 hours to cover 5 miles is terrible - the app should have just said "You're fucked, go home and try again tomorrow." instead of constantly telling me "oh hey, try this other side street, it'll save you 45 minutes!"
Re:Google Maps Hacks by danesparza on Monday February 03, 2020 @10:35AM (#22225020)
I would pay good money for the "go home and try again tomorrow" feature. Especially if it was narrated by my favorite celebrity. Like Cookie Monster.
Re:Google Maps Hacks by thrownblown on Monday February 03, 2020 @10:48AM (#22225149)
You can get cookie monster's voice on Waze...
Re:Google Maps Hacks by danesparza on Monday February 03, 2020 @01:22PM (#22227192)
Oh, I'm aware. Thanks though. ;-)
Re:Google Maps Hacks by jrochkind1 on Monday February 03, 2020 @11:36PM (#22232452)
Man, now imagine how the people who live on those residential side streets feel...
Re:Google Maps Hacks by londons_explore on Monday February 03, 2020 @08:56AM (#22224114)
It depends on the city. In some cities, Googles routing takes into account the number of other users Google has directed down the road.
Re:Google Maps Hacks by Gene_Parmesan on Monday February 03, 2020 @09:58AM (#22224662)
My third hand information frmo a coworker who is friends with people on the maps team is that some percentage of people will get routed into the traffic, and some percentage will get routed to alternate routes, of which there may be a few. Google appears to take a rather active stance on increasing total traffic flow, even at the expense of giving some number of drivers suboptimal routes.
Re:Google Maps Hacks by marriedWpt on Monday February 03, 2020 @11:27AM (#22225649)
I've noticed this too, and as a result I cannot trust Google maps.

Is there any competitor I can check to confirm best routes?

Re:Google Maps Hacks by marton78 on Monday February 03, 2020 @01:15PM (#22227123)
On average, these are the best routes. There's some chance you'll be that guy routed into traffic today, only to enjoy the faster detour the next ten times. Decreasing total time in traffic for all participants is optimal on the long run for every single participant.
Re:Google Maps Hacks by KevinSorboFan on Monday February 03, 2020 @10:21AM (#22224869)
Somewhat related... Braess's Paradox.

Take the toy example illustrating that paradox ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braess%27s_paradox#Mathematica... ) and an enlightened Google maps may do the altruistic thing of telling half of the drivers to stick on the upper route and half of the drivers to stick to the bottom route, but then some 3rd-party app will come along with the "shortcut" down the middle.

Re:Google Maps Hacks by jrochkind1 on Monday February 03, 2020 @11:38PM (#22232461)
Maybe when all/most traffic is self-driving cars they could somehow be regulated to all use the same coordinated routing system without "cheating"... probably not.
Re:Google Maps Hacks by brewdad on Monday February 03, 2020 @12:02AM (#22221534)
Presumably, this alternate route won't save you 25 minutes by the time you and others reroute. However if it saves you 10 minutes and reduces the delay on the original route by 10 minutes since there are now fewer cars idling, then everyone is better off.
Re:Google Maps Hacks by orijing on Monday February 03, 2020 @01:33AM (#22221932)
Consider another example. Google suggests an alternate route that will presumably save 15 minutes.

Let's say enough cars take the suggestion to slow down that route by 10 minutes and speed up this one by 10 minutes. Even if you end up saving five minutes relative to the original estimate, you'd have saved ten minutes staying put.

Re:Google Maps Hacks by londons_explore on Monday February 03, 2020 @09:08AM (#22224194)
It is a point of contention if Google should optimize for saving time for the individual user, (using data only available to that user), or for that user (but using routing information of other google users), or for all users on average (but potentially to the detriment of some users to give other users a bigger advantage), or for the public on average (ie. routing cars to reduce traffic, but possibly putting google users at a disadvantage compared to non-google users).

Various cities round the world have different optimization goals as they try out different approaches.

Re:Google Maps Hacks by jrochkind1 on Monday February 03, 2020 @11:41PM (#22232478)
I would say obviously the answer is that users paying for premium levels of service should get faster routes, isn't that how this sort of thing is done?