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Re:China to inject $174B of liquidity on Monday as markets r... by rayiner on Sunday February 02, 2020 @09:16PM (#22220904)
> Regular citizens in America have a worse life than people in other OECD countires, but you're OK with it, because "rah, rah America".

By what measure? The average American house is double the size of the average European house. We have vastly more disposable income: http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/united-states/

It correspondingly leads the world in household consumption expenditures per capita: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_household... ($37,903 in the US, $20,408 in France).

We are among the top in terms of college education rates: On other measures, the US does great. It has long been among the top countries for college attainment: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_cac.asp

There are some indicators where the US doesn’t do as well. For example, life expectancy at age 65 is on the lower end, six months less than the UK and about the same as Denmark and Poland: https://data.oecd.org/healthstat/life-expectancy-at-65.htm. Though the fact that Denmark and Poland are the same should indicate that the measure is highly sensitive to demographic and cultural factors. (Sweden, Germany, and the UK are closer to the US than they are to France or Spain.)

> Plenty of people were jailed in the occupy wall street peaceful demonstrations.

Occupy Wall Street protestors were not all “peaceful.” They sometimes got violent or destructive, and they were arrested, but that‘s not a bad thing. It’s happening in France too: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/04/france-scores-yellow-.... There is a huge difference between arresting rowdy protestors and imprisoning political dissidents.

> Also includes executing American citizens without trial

By that you mean ordering a military attack on an American citizen who was waging war against the US on foreign soil. Again, huge difference between that and executing citizens on US soil for political offenses.

> testing on huamns against their consent

Yes, that was bad. But not as bad as experiments in collective farming killing tens of millions of people!

> overthrowing democratically elected leaders

Not clear that this is bad.

> I could go on and on. The fact you're inside it, and being subjected to it, means you can't see it clearly.

You can go on and on, but can you present any examples that are actually equivalent? Your examples, presumably the best ones you have, are utterly superficial. What’s the equivalency you’re hoping to draw between taking military action against a terrorist on foreign soil, who happens to have US citizenship, and massive political purges? It’s not even just a matter of “both are bad, but one involves more instances of the bad thing.” The moral calculus is completely different. How are you supposed to even handle a US citizen who wages terrorist attacks on the US from abroad. It’s not like you can send police to arrest them. Whether it’s ultimately “bad” or not, the ethical calculation is completely different.

> That's why I said it's interesting 'siracusa23' can. He/she has more perspective than you (and I'm willing to bet the majority of Americans)

There are millions of Americans who have first hand experience with socialism and communism, and many are among the most fervent defenders of the American way. There are 1.5 million Cuban Americans in Florida, and Donald Trump won a majority of their vote: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/100-republ.... These are people for whom the distant memory of communism is so powerful that they’ll hold their nose and vote for the Republican candidate regardless of the odious things he’s said about immigrants. Nationwide, a supermajority of Hispanics (60-20) said they wouldn’t vote for someone who called themselves a “socialist”: https://www.latinorebels.com/2019/11/07/telemundopoll. These are people who have (or their families have) experience with the dismal failures of socialism in Latin America.

Re:China to inject $174B of liquidity on Monday as markets r... by grecy on Sunday February 02, 2020 @09:57PM (#22221060)
> By what measure?

By all the measures that actually indicate how life is for the average person on the street, not just the ones about how much stuff you use up.

The US is at or very near the worst among OECD countries in: infant mortality, child poverty, child health and safety, life expectancy at birth, healthy life expectancy, rate of obesity, disability-adjusted life years, doctors per 1000 people, deaths from treatable conditions, rate of mental health disorders, rate of drug abuse, rate of prescription drug use, incarceration rate, rate of assaults, rate of homicides, income inequality, wealth inequality, and economic mobility.

In many of those, it's 2x to 5x worse than other countries.

Re:China to inject $174B of liquidity on Monday as markets r... by rayiner on Monday February 03, 2020 @12:51AM (#22221744)
How much stuff they can buy and how big their house is is a big part of what the average person on the street considers to be relevant metrics of prosperity. I wouldn’t trade an extra 6 months of life expectancy like in the UK for a house half the size like in the UK, and I suspect most other Americans wouldn’t either.

As to your other indicators, are you really talking about the “average person” or the poorest people? Because there is a big difference, and in the US we have deliberately chosen to optimize for lower taxes on the middle class at the expense of weaker safety nets for the lowest class. Take, for example, income mobility. For the top 80% it’s similar between the US and Denmark: https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012.... Someone born in the second to lowest quantile, for example, has a similar shot at rising to the top quantile in the US and Denmark.

As to health indicators it’s similar, although also complicated by demographic and diet differences. Asian Americans have the longest life expectancy of pretty much anyone in the world, including people in Hong Kong, Singapore, or Japan. It’s not because there is an alternate, Asian only health system. It’s because Asian Americans are largely outside the bottom quantile, and a lot of the things that drag down the US in the overall average are a function of very bad results in the bottom quantile.