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Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by thewarpaint on Saturday February 01, 2020 @10:55PM (#22215043)
The Wikipedia article tells a slightly different story:

> Selkirk had grave concerns about the seaworthiness of their vessel, and wanted to make the necessary repairs before going any farther. He declared that he would rather stay on Juan Fernández than continue in a dangerously leaky ship. Stradling took him up on the offer and landed Selkirk on the island with a musket, a hatchet, a knife, a cooking pot, a Bible, bedding and some clothes. Selkirk immediately regretted his rashness, but Stradling refused to let him back on board.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Selkirk

Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by londons_explore on Sunday February 02, 2020 @03:21AM (#22215850)
If the ship later sank, do we have any other source for this story?

For all we know, Selkirk was chucked off the ship for being a thief, the ship later sank, and Selkirk made up the story to not reveal he was a thief.

Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by acqq on Sunday February 02, 2020 @05:01AM (#22216159)
> For all we know

No, much more is known than what is casually assumed in this sentence. Unfortunately the sentence turns out to be just "for all londons_explore knows" but surely not "for all it is known from the survived texts."

And what is known is written in the very Wikipedia article which thewarpaint linked and which "londons_explore" obviously didn't read:

"Cinque Ports did indeed later founder off the coast of what is now Colombia. Stradling and some of his crew survived the loss of their ship but were forced to surrender to the Spanish. The survivors were taken to Lima, Peru, where they endured a harsh imprisonment.[16]"

Wikipedia also cites the source, the article from 1713:

Steele, Richard (3 December 1713). "Alexander Selkirk, an Account of His Living Alone Above Four Years in a Desolate Island". The Englishman. 1 (26): 168–173.

Also the link to the online readable form of the article, as it was printed in 1714, more than 300 years ago:

https://books.google.at/books?id=IY2UnI4L6g8C&pg=PA168

Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by Gibbon1 on Sunday February 02, 2020 @03:33AM (#22215889)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinque_Ports_(1703_ship)

Says at least some of the crew survived and Selkirk gave a deposition in the resulting lawsuit between the ships owners and the captain.

Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by celeritascelery on Saturday February 01, 2020 @10:13PM (#22214910)
It crazy that he was so confident the ship would sink he was willing to stranded, and he was right. I can hardly think of anything I am that confident in.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by anonsivalley652 on Saturday February 01, 2020 @10:41PM (#22215003)
Well, if you're sure it's going to sink compared to resources and your survival skills, it's logical to choose the lesser of two weevils.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by lostlogin on Saturday February 01, 2020 @11:59PM (#22215230)
Is that a typo? I like it either way.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by gumby on Sunday February 02, 2020 @12:33AM (#22215336)
It's a joke from "Master and Commander"
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by galangalalgol on Sunday February 02, 2020 @01:43AM (#22215543)
A man who would pun, would pick a man's pockets.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by austhrow743 on Sunday February 02, 2020 @01:01AM (#22215417)
His wiki article says he immediately regretted rashness in saying he rather stay on the island but the captain refused to take him back. So it seems he may have been more talking shit for effect rather than genuine and then got lucky.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by ISL on Saturday February 01, 2020 @10:18PM (#22214927)
Depends on the ship. Some ships, absent a miraculous bilge pump, are definitely going to sink.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by the_matrix on Saturday February 01, 2020 @11:11PM (#22215090)
Yeah, that's called instinct triggered by practical knowledge and a sense for survival, used to come quite handy in those unpredictable adventurous days!
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by momirlan on Saturday February 01, 2020 @11:00PM (#22215055)
this is the story of the survivor, anyway
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by monoideism on Saturday February 01, 2020 @11:52PM (#22215208)
Well, it's a historical fact that the ship sank soon afterwards.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by alasdair_ on Sunday February 02, 2020 @03:31AM (#22215880)
After which, the “survivor” can claim anything he wishes without dispute.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by Supermancho on Sunday February 02, 2020 @06:12AM (#22216410)
Some of the crew also survived, as you might see in the rest of the comments.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by monoideism on Sunday February 02, 2020 @09:41AM (#22217098)
As others have responded, there were survivors who testified at a trial regarding the boat (probably insurance).
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by segmondy on Sunday February 02, 2020 @04:38PM (#22219623)
I have often been confident that software won't ship based on the current team and hit it right on the money. Tons of folks see a startup and just nope outta there because they can tell it's a wreck waiting to happen. I'm sure you are giving yourself less credit than you deserve. You can tell when things are bad in an area you have worked in for years.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by nl on Sunday February 02, 2020 @08:27AM (#22216814)
It's strange, but being marooned wasn't as unusual as one might think.

William Dampier (who Selkirk served with some years before being marooned)[1] had himself been marooned in the Nicobar Islands:

Later that year, by agreement, Dampier and two shipmates were marooned on one of the Nicobar Islands.[2]

I believe this was mostly about disagreements at sea with commanders. Many empty islands had been stocked with animals such as goats and rabbits in case of shipwreck, and would have ships call at them a few times a year for water and resupply.

It does seem an odd thing to modern thinking though.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Selkirk

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Dampier

Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by anonsivalley652 on Saturday February 01, 2020 @10:38PM (#22214992)
Reminds me of the LOT 5055 / Il-62 / Soloviev D-30 that AgentJayZ talked about that ended up killing 183 people because the engine manufacturer was low on supply of LP main roller bearings, and so used half as many and sometimes the wrong sizes of bearings. He took apart 5 of them and they were missing these critical components, and some of the engines even wobbled by having a couple of millimeters of play when they should be solid perpendicular to the the shaft.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by jcims on Sunday February 02, 2020 @12:51AM (#22215389)
Will have to dig that one up. One of my favorite channels on YouTube.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by Findeton on Sunday February 02, 2020 @03:27AM (#22215871)
I don't want to be that guy, but I can count at least two spelling mistakes: It's spelled "Colombia", not Columbia. Also, it's Daniel Defoe, not Defor.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by the_matrix on Sunday February 02, 2020 @06:01AM (#22216378)
Thanks dude, I've fixed it.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by adaisadais on Sunday February 02, 2020 @12:33AM (#22215333)
This is such an incredible story. This dude was a BA buccaneer and accomplished sailor.

He had one book with him: The Bible.

If you were allowed one book on a deserted island what book would you bring and why?

I’m taking the ESV Study Bible. Massive book with loads of commentary. Regardless of one’s beliefs it would be a phenomenal thing to concur.

Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by mod on Sunday February 02, 2020 @02:05AM (#22215598)
I'd probably bring some kind of field manual with instructions on survival. Military, boy scout, etc.

I have a decent outdoor skillset but there are many skills which I'm only aware exist, but I have never done myself (like smoking meat). I would want the advice of the manual, even if I could eventually figure it out.

Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by catalogia on Sunday February 02, 2020 @02:03AM (#22215590)
I'd bring the thickest book I could get my hands on. The paper would make good tinder if I managed to keep it dry.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by mod on Sunday February 02, 2020 @02:06AM (#22215607)
For what it's worth, tinder is easy to come by in most environments. Also in those days, you would likely try to never make another fire, and instead keep yours going.

Somewhat true today as well, as firelighting tools are all consumables. Some may light thousands of fires, but still would fail to eventually.

Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by xxs on Sunday February 02, 2020 @05:17AM (#22216220)
All you need is a lens given a bright day. I used to ignite paper as a kid. It should be possible to use ice as well but it has to be properly shaped and the water to be clear.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by iamthirsty on Sunday February 02, 2020 @05:23AM (#22216247)
Doesn't really seem like ice would be abundant on a desert island.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by alasdair_ on Sunday February 02, 2020 @03:29AM (#22215875)
> If you were allowed one book on a deserted island what book would you bring and why?

The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, of course.

Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by 14 on Sunday February 02, 2020 @12:37PM (#22218100)
Encyclopedia Britanica Book S. Look up survival training and hope it has some useful information. Religion really is interesting to me and I am always curious to those discussing it what their thoughts are on other gods. If you believe in your bible and Jesus and god, and other people believe in their god who is right? Do you believe in more than one god or is this person who believes in another god wrong? How do you know? You don’t actually have to answer me these are just the questions I often wonder when I hear people talking about religion. I used to be religious in the past as we went as a kid. I lost my faith many years later and to this day question religion. Still looking for answers. Have a good day.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by adaisadais on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @06:17PM (#22251901)
Great questions!

Well, Jesus says “I am the way the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father (YHWH or God) but by me.” (John 14:6) So, he is essentially denying that there are other gods other than YHWH and that He is the only path to YHWH.

Christianity is quite unique because it is not a faith based on one’s own good works. So I find it extremely interesting in that regard.

I also think it’s extremely important to be skeptical of all “religion”. Religion is process oriented behavior while I believe faith is not. Church is often confused as a building where people listen to a boring sermon and sing a lame song. The Bible says church is anywhere there are two people who have faith in Jesus as their savior.

Also, there is no way I can convince you of any of this. That’s not the point. I would highly recommend reading the ESV Study Bible’s Gospel (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) and learning more for yourself. Not necessarily to be saved but so that you can be edified on this perspective. I would love to talk more about it!

Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by dane-pgp on Sunday February 02, 2020 @01:06PM (#22218284)
Those are good questions to ask, but I wonder if you think they only need to be answered by religious people. If someone doesn't believe in some particular god, it is still possible to ask them "Is this other person who believes in that god wrong?" and "How do you know?".

Perhaps a helpful example for showing this is the conspiracy theory concerning Bielefeld in Germany[0]. Is non-belief in Bielefeld any less subject to questioning than belief in it?

Anyway, keep looking for answers, and I wish you a good day too.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy

Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by adaisadais on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @06:07PM (#22251842)
If one has read the Bible it becomes pretty apparent that YHWH, the God of the Bible, claims (and I believe is) the only God and that all other gods essentially aren’t real.

A god is usually thought of a some deity but the meaning is much deeper than that: a god is something one worships. Many people worship money as god, their job or company as god, drugs or sex as god.

But like I said, the Bible makes it very clear that there is only one God (according to the Bible).

Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by petra on Sunday February 02, 2020 @01:16PM (#22218348)
The biggest challenge on the island would be loneliness.

While the bible is interesting and insightful, it isn't focused on the question of how to be happy living an isolated life.

I'm not sure there good books on that. Maybe Sara Maitland's book "how to be alone". maybe.

Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by dsfyu404ed on Sunday February 02, 2020 @09:50AM (#22217150)
A thick religious text similiar in scope to the Bible is going to be a pretty solid choice regardless of which one you choose. The content of those books generalizes quite well over most of human experience.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by HarryHirsch on Sunday February 02, 2020 @01:03PM (#22218270)
Besides, once the immediate needs for survival are met, you can develop techniques to improve your life on your own time. Creating works of literature is an altogether different kettle of fish. In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus merely cites the observation that bread isn't sufficient for living.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by adaisadais on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @06:00PM (#22251805)
The Sermon on the Mount is powerful. But if you really want to read a good book you should try Ecclesiastes. The author reveals the meaning of life.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by dboreham on Saturday February 01, 2020 @11:36PM (#22215160)
Small world. He was born 16 miles from where I grew up.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by 1024core on Sunday February 02, 2020 @11:55AM (#22217858)
This looks like the island where he was marooned? https://goo.gl/maps/1TUQqWZPHsaLJmQw9
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by billfruit on Sunday February 02, 2020 @04:23AM (#22216045)
Also remembering William Cooper's famous poem, 'The Solitude of Alexander Selkirk'.
Re:311 years ago, Alexander Selkirk was rescued on a desert ... by vmh1928 on Sunday February 02, 2020 @11:20AM (#22217641)
It's almost a "frozen o-rings" moment.