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Re:Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the... by Palptine on Friday January 31, 2020 @05:20PM (#22206517)
What's the chance of hitting all 4 of them though? This is a good step in verification but you are awfully too quick to reject their claim.
Re:Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the... by folli on Friday January 31, 2020 @05:41PM (#22206679)
Read the paper, they actually only match 2 inserts, the other two inserts are modified by the authors in such a way that they are made to match (Table 1).

Both inserts 1 and 2 also match to Streptococcus phage, but a bacteriophage would of course not be such a bold claim as HIV matches are.

Also, be aware that because of the scientific interest in HIV, there are hundreds of HIV strains sequenced, a virus known for its mutation rate (especially in these two proteins gp120 and gag, as they are under pressure to mutate in order to evade the immunesystem). So in such a large library of protein sequences one is bound to find a match of a short 6 letter (amino acid) sequence. That's why E values exist to make a statement about the statistical significance.

Re:Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the... by folli on Friday January 31, 2020 @05:47PM (#22206731)
For posteriority, here's the link to the Blast results for the second insert: https://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Blast.cgi?CMD=Get&RID=39ACRKV...
Re:Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the... by im3w1l on Monday February 03, 2020 @07:56AM (#22223698)
Hello posteriority here! I wanted to reference these comments in a discussion but the links expired :/
Re:Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the... by Palptine on Friday January 31, 2020 @06:09PM (#22206923)
Large HIV database inflating matches is indeed a big concern. But dismissing one miss matches sounds arbitrary: these segments were not arbitrarily selected, but real insertions on tops of sars.
Re:Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the... by folli on Friday January 31, 2020 @06:15PM (#22206959)
Again, take any random six letter amino acid sequence and chances are high that it matches to some HIV protein.

I just did the experiment with my first name that is coincidentally 6 letters long, and lo and behold: a match to HIV env protein!

Has my first name now been designed by a bioweapons facility?

Re:Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the... by AnimalMuppet on Friday January 31, 2020 @07:13PM (#22207381)
> Has my first name now been designed by a bioweapons facility?

No, of course not. Your parents were designed by a bioweapons facility, so that they would choose that name.

;-)

Re:Scientists claim to find HIV virus-like insertions in the... by folli on Saturday February 01, 2020 @02:46AM (#22209285)
You revealed my secret