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Re:ACLU: ICE and CBP Are Secretly Tracking Us Using Stingray... by rayiner on Friday January 31, 2020 @04:56PM (#22206262)
> Their stance on civil liberties has been pretty consistent.

Except the right to bear arms, of course.

Re:ACLU: ICE and CBP Are Secretly Tracking Us Using Stingray... by torkins on Friday January 31, 2020 @05:01PM (#22206325)
It's the interpretation of the second amendment by SCOTUS that has been inconsistent over time, not the ACLU's position. Collective/militia rights is a widespread interpretation of the second amendment (which the ACLU holds). Interpreting "right to bear arms" as unrestrained individual gun ownership is not the default position just because modern NRA advocacy says it is.
Re:ACLU: ICE and CBP Are Secretly Tracking Us Using Stingray... by tptacek on Friday January 31, 2020 @05:18PM (#22206486)
This isn't responsive to Rayiner's point. "Why" the ACLU doesn't expansively support the right to bear arms the way they do speech and freedom from search is interesting, but doesn't rebut Rayiner's point "that" they don't.
Re:ACLU: ICE and CBP Are Secretly Tracking Us Using Stingray... by CharlesW on Friday January 31, 2020 @05:02PM (#22206335)
You're painting their position with a brush the size of a small planet. Here's their actual position, which is for Constitutionally-consistent gun regulations and against proposed gun regulations which raise civil liberties concerns: https://www.aclu.org/blog/civil-liberties/mobilization/aclus...
Re:ACLU: ICE and CBP Are Secretly Tracking Us Using Stingray... by likpok on Friday January 31, 2020 @06:27PM (#22207048)
This article approaches gun regulation from the standpoint that the 2nd amendment mostly doesn't exist. It's arguing that the regulations should be consistent with the equal-protection clause. That's basically in-line with what rayiner said: the ACLU doesn't care about the 2nd amendment, and only defends gun issues when they touch other constitutional issues.
Re:ACLU: ICE and CBP Are Secretly Tracking Us Using Stingray... by positivejam on Friday January 31, 2020 @06:05PM (#22206887)
Has the ACLU's stance on the right to bear arms has been inconsistent, as in, changed quite a bit over time? Or they just haven't had much of a stance to speak of? Honest question.
Re:ACLU: ICE and CBP Are Secretly Tracking Us Using Stingray... by likpok on Friday January 31, 2020 @06:31PM (#22207083)
In 1991, they believed it was an individual right. Now they believe it's a collective right. I don't know of any major cases the ACLU brought on behalf of gun owners (but probably wouldn't know if they had).

https://reason.com/2019/04/12/the-aclu-defends-the-rights-of... has some discussion of this.

Re:ACLU: ICE and CBP Are Secretly Tracking Us Using Stingray... by FireBeyond on Friday January 31, 2020 @07:26PM (#22207447)
I can't speak to that - but they also haven't felt as much of a need to devote resources to it as they feel, accurately, I believe, that the NRA has enough resources and a loud enough voice on that topic.