Re:Housing is a human right: How Finland is eradicating home...
by shusson on Friday January 31, 2020 @08:21AM
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I think I see your point broadly, but some things don't really fit. Like how is, a person has the right "to have the assistance of counsel for his defense", linked to the government not taking away the rights of people. I guess I'm more focusing on the `fair` part in the rights, which to me seems more connected with something like housing.
Re:Housing is a human right: How Finland is eradicating home...
by dbatten on Friday January 31, 2020 @08:34AM
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Ensuring you have counsel is intended to make sure that the government can't unfairly imprison/punish a person who is ignorant of the legal system and incapable of defending themselves. The end goal is still to be a check on government power.
That's still far different from the government being obligated to provide you housing.
(To be clear - I'm not taking a position on universal housing. It might be a great idea! I just think it's a different class of right, and I think the distinction is worth preserving.)
Re:Housing is a human right: How Finland is eradicating home...
by shusson on Friday January 31, 2020 @09:26AM
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> The end goal is still to be a check on government power
I see, I always thought that those amendments were about equality between people, but in this context it makes more sense.
Re:Housing is a human right: How Finland is eradicating home...
by keanzu on Friday January 31, 2020 @08:34AM
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Putting together an effective legal defense in the face of myriad laws is a difficult task. The government agrees to not abuse its power of incarceration against the citizenry.
Your right to freedom is what's at stake. If the government wants to take it they agree to make their case, not do so capriciously.
Re:Housing is a human right: How Finland is eradicating home...
by Miner49er on Friday January 31, 2020 @08:23AM
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By this logic, you can say "the government can't take away your freedoms by evicting you and then denying you the right to find housing elsewhere."
Re:Housing is a human right: How Finland is eradicating home...
by dbatten on Friday January 31, 2020 @08:29AM
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Right... but that's still different from "the government has to pay for you to have a house."
Re:Housing is a human right: How Finland is eradicating home...
by Nasrudith on Friday January 31, 2020 @09:00AM
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They need to leave an alternative to not pay and must pay for enforcement. No home? Sleep on their doorstep. They want you off? Then left sleeping on the street. If they want you out of the street and so on. Eliminate all other viable alternatives and they either get stuck with the bill of enforcement or cede the claim effectively to thr Nth last step because say they cannot stop you from sleeping on a park bench without also pissing off elderly voters who dose in parks. Throwing you in jail at any step in the process is just a spiteful way of providing housing that is less productive for everyone.
The harsh logical truth is you /always/ pay for other people in some way. Choice only affects the cost and outcome.
Written a different way, this would say "the government can't take away your freedoms by arresting you, accusing you of a crime, but then delaying or denying a fair trial to figure out if you're actually guilty."