Since you don't live in a city why did you feel the need to reply? It has nothing to do with you and your six cars.

I love cars as well, it doesn't mean they should dominate areas where other alternatives make more sense in all aspects but subjective preference.

great, dont come to them!

What do you hope to gain by posting such obviously false posts?

Plenty of people go to SF by choice. Very obviously that's the case. Why try to assert otherwise? Just mindless trolling?

“No one goes there anymore.

It’s too crowded.”

People are only there for work. Most will leave in 3-5 years.

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN? You've been doing it repeatedly lately.

If you'd please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Please don't respond to a bad comment with a worse one. The HN guidelines explicitly ask you not to do that.

Especially please don't go into personal attack.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please explain why I should subsidize your unsustainable rural/suburban lifestyle.

Cities are not self-sustaining. Virtually none of the resources needed to build, maintain or feed one actually come from the city itself.

Due to agricultural monocultures and climate limitations, most rural areas are not self-sustaining either. A given rural locale may contribute certain products to cities, but it is also a net recipient of other products from elsewhere – and the logistics of getting all those products to the given rural locale may well have been managed within cities.

So? That doesn't make them any less necessary. If anything, it just reinforces how necessary they are, since different rural areas need to specialize in different raw materials and foodstuffs.

My comment wasn't a reply to why we should do away with cities, it was a reply to why rural areas should "be subsidized" (I'm assuming road construction here, and maybe social welfare for impoverished).

People in Urban and suburban areas are perfectly aware their food come from mostly rural areas.

Almost everything else in your home; your car; the technology they depend on; the road, telecom, hospital, etc infrastructure and the technology they depend on come almost entirely from cities and suburbs.

HN? The device you use to access it? Almost all the tech news on it? The network infrastructure you use to lower its comment quality? The language its written? The computers it runs on? Not from rural areas.

That is half true; all the raw materials for all if those things come from outside the cities.

Again, I'm not saying cities aren't important, only replying to a comment asking for justification for rural living.

You don’t have to subsidize me, bud. I paid my own money to get a well, get electricity service, no paved roads for miles. I actually can’t think of a government service I didn’t pay for!

Of course you don't. That doesn't mean they don't exist but it is certainly believable that they are conveniently--so conveniently--outside your mental orbit.

Who subsidized your electrical company's build-out of the long-haul transmission lines to get electricity out to you? Do the payers of those subsidies see an ROI from long-haul transmission lines to economically minimal areas?

Ditto telco?

Where do you buy groceries? Who disproportionately paid for all of the utilities and transportation necessary to make that work?

How about delivery? Mail is hugely subsidized, particularly for rural routes, and commercial carriers use all those roads-'n-stuff to get to you. Your last mile, or even last miles, might be dirt--y'all certainly aren't paying proportionally for the highways to get even close enough.

I grew up in rural areas. Lots of people sneered a lot about The Gubmint. And even in that weird epistemic closure not a one paid out what they took. Which is fine; that's how it's supposed to work, and there's an argument for some subsidy of rural living for a number of both moral and practical reasons. But leaving the disingenuity in the closet where it belongs and showing some basic respect for the process that allows it is at least polite.

isn't oil subsidized?