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Re:Ring Doorbell App Packed with Third-Party Trackers by bob1029 on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:00PM (#22175588)
I'm not so sure. I prefer to remain optimistic about this because it does seem positive progress is being made. No problem like this will be solved overnight, even with heavy-handed federal legislation made effective yesterday.

Things like this do take time. New companies are being built right now that plan to base their entire identity on personal privacy and respect. Someone is building the next generation of competing products that offer privacy as a priority feature. I would cite Apple as a potential candidate in this pack with some caveats and unknowns...

Trust is a tricky thing to establish and virtually impossible to regain. For me, it's not hard to initially gain my trust if the intent is clear. If I feel the vendor of my home security product is actually trying to use the best techniques, encryption schemes, etc. to protect me, I will be much more likely to trust the solution. If I see buzzwordy bullshit on the box or get a whiff of negative experience or intent from other users (whom I trust), you are immediately starting out with -10 to charisma. Good luck getting out of that hole.

Re:Ring Doorbell App Packed with Third-Party Trackers by kjs3 on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @10:51PM (#22177197)
I'm not so sure.

I'm sure.

My daughters generation isn't fazed in the least by being bombarded by ads, and I've even heard some of her friends express (paraphrased) "why worry...everyone has something embarrassing on the Net".

Ring is (apparently) wildly popular. I know dozens of houses in my neighborhood who have installed it, and many of them think the privacy invading parts are, at worst, a 'necessary evil', and some folks think the parts like "open access for LEA" are awesome. I've only talked to perhaps 2 homes where they were "I'm not comfortable with that".

Trust is a tricky thing to establish and virtually impossible to regain.

I don't disagree, but I don't think 'trust' is still built on the things it used to be built on.

Re:Ring Doorbell App Packed with Third-Party Trackers by tomc1985 on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @08:00PM (#22176048)
There's an entire generation that's growing up with "why bother with privacy I've already lost it". They're comfortable living their lives out in the open and prefer convenience

Just look at the popularity of streaming models, "I know Facebook listens to my conversations but what can I do?" type conversations, the prevalence of porn games on Steam (which broadcasts what you're currently playing to friends and anyone who looks at your profile), and the popularity of porn tube sites

Re:Ring Doorbell App Packed with Third-Party Trackers by derefr on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @09:25PM (#22176591)
This is the same generation that coined the term "side-piece phone", no? I don't think they're living their lives in public; I think they're just getting better at compartmentalizing their identity. Kids don't care if Facebook sees everything they post on Facebook, because they would only use Facebook for the kinds of things everyone should see. Other stuff goes on Snapchat.
Re:Ring Doorbell App Packed with Third-Party Trackers by tomc1985 on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @10:16PM (#22176966)
"Side-piece" as a concept has existed for a while. I don't think coining that term has any meaning; people have been compartmentalizing their dalliances since the dawn of time
Re:Ring Doorbell App Packed with Third-Party Trackers by mmcclure on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @11:15PM (#22177377)
I'm not so sure I'd be so quick to dismiss the differences here. Another example is the notion of having a "finsta" vs their normal Instagram. The finsta is a private Instagram they only show to real friends, while their normal Instagram account is for the world.

This isn't merely "compartmentalizing their dalliances," it's compartmentalization of public vs private (or at least quasi-private) self.

Re:Ring Doorbell App Packed with Third-Party Trackers by chiefalchemist on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @08:14PM (#22176138)
Yes. Generational trends are like a pendulum. They swing. This year's "We don't care" is next year's "No way man." The safest route is respecting privacy. A reputation as a violator won't be easy to shake.
Re:Ring Doorbell App Packed with Third-Party Trackers by woutr_be on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @11:27PM (#22177446)
> There's an entire generation that's growing up with "why bother with privacy I've already lost it". They're comfortable living their lives out in the open and prefer convenience

I really don't think that's a fair assessment. Yes, people are comfortable living their lives in the open, and people do prefer convenience, but is that really because they don't care about privacy? Or is it more because we have all the abilities to do this?

If you grew up before that ability, did you really have all that privacy? Or did you only have it because of the lack of technology, and not by choice.

> the prevalence of porn games on Steam (which broadcasts what you're currently playing to friends and anyone who looks at your profile), and the popularity of porn tube sites

What does this has to do with privacy? Maybe the current generation is just more open about the fact that they look at porn, or play some porn game. It's really not a taboo subject anymore, we all know everyone does it, so why hide it?

Re:Ring Doorbell App Packed with Third-Party Trackers by flukus on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:57PM (#22176030)
I'm not sure it counts as positive progress, it's a positive regression to what was normal 20 years ago and as such requires little to no problem solving.

The bigger challenge is making people care, they don't understand how their private information gets weaponized against them, usually to manipulate them to spend more.