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Re:The Positive Side of Shame by tengbretson on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @03:03PM (#22173493)
> Calling shame "violent" is dismissing actual violence.

It's worse than that. Calling words violence justifies the use of "defensive", actual violence against someone that has used "violent communication" – whatever the hell that might mean at the moment.

Re:The Positive Side of Shame by MadWombat on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @04:59PM (#22174544)
> justifies the use of "defensive"

Where I grew up this was the norm. There were things that could only be said with full understanding that physical violence is the only possible response. And while I do not condone violence and would not want children to grow up in the same environment, I have to admit that the possibility of things escalating from words to punches did act as a deterrent. I also wonder if the modern zero tolerance attitude to violence is the reason for such wider spread bullying problem.

Re:The Positive Side of Shame by taurath on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @03:07PM (#22173534)
The pen is mightier than the sword.
Re:The Positive Side of Shame by tengbretson on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @03:40PM (#22173805)
That may be, but I think we can all agree that being loose with our definitions in such a way that it incentivizes "bringing a sword to a pen fight" is a bad thing.
Re:The Positive Side of Shame by MadWombat on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @05:00PM (#22174555)
Thank you so much for the "bringing a sword to a pen fight" phrase. Now I need to find a good place to use it.