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Re:Thunderbird’s New Home by hannob on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @02:56PM (#22173427)
From what I understand the challenge with TB is that it's tied into Firefox' engine and that is also in parts used for the GUI (XUL). Every time there's larger refactoring work in FF that affects Thunderbird. And FF wants to get rid of XUL eventually.
Re:Thunderbird’s New Home by dabockster on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @01:51AM (#22178123)
> Every time there's larger refactoring work in FF that affects Thunderbird.

Okay, that's scary. It's like a one half of a conjoined twin trying to remove the other half from their lives. Mozilla started transitioning Thunderbird out of their umbrella while TB is still highly dependent on Firefox code. Yeah, scary.

Maybe we need a successor to Thunderbird? Something that's not tied to Firefox so much? Because it seems like we can't trust Mozilla and however many unpaid/underpaid volunteers to maintain it well enough.

Re:Thunderbird’s New Home by wsmwk on Saturday February 01, 2020 @02:57PM (#22212826)
> Mozilla started transitioning Thunderbird out of their umbrella while TB is still highly dependent on Firefox code.

If you are referring to Mozilla Messaging and the period to 2012, no the only transitioning was in terms of product functionality. The community organized in 2014, unaffiliated with Mozilla, and it's not until about 2018 when staff were hired that community leadership were able to seriously reduce technical debt. But seriously reducing dependency on Firefox code is some distance away.

> Maybe we need a successor to Thunderbird? Something that's not tied to Firefox so much?

You are looking a millions of dollars paid developer time.

> Because it seems like we can't trust Mozilla and however many unpaid/underpaid volunteers to maintain it well enough.

Mozilla are not running the show here, the community is.

Perhaps it's difficult to keep up with the history, but https://blog.thunderbird.net/ has past relevant postings, plus developer and other mailing lists. To cite a couple, big changes in encryption https://blog.thunderbird.net/2019/10/thunderbird-enigmail-an... https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/tb-planning/2019-December... and development priorities http://lists.thunderbird.net/pipermail/maildev_lists.thunder... which includes a new address book.

There is a significant professional development staff which is nicely paid, and the number of developers will soon double. https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/careers/

Re:Thunderbird’s New Home by apostacy on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @09:08AM (#22180585)
I really hope that my extensions are not broken. It would kill Thunderbird. Nobody is going to come along and replace the library of amazing extensions that have been built up over the years.

Unlike a web browser, email has not changed much in the last 15 years, so I don't see why development needs to advance at a high speed.

I doubt that any UX fashion statements are going to be enough to make up for the huge loss of functionality.

Re:Thunderbird’s New Home by SkyMarshal on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @03:06PM (#22173519)
I thought XUL was gone with the recent change to the way addons work in Firefox?
Re:Thunderbird’s New Home by thenewnewguy on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @03:41PM (#22173811)
XUL is no longer exposed to plugins (in non-ESR FF), but is still used internally in some places - where it is slowly being replaced.
Re:Thunderbird’s New Home by lowflyer on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @03:13PM (#22173577)
XUL was used all over the place, so it takes a while to fully remove it. Thunderbird updates the underlying platform only once per year, catching up with Firefox changes in the yearly major release, while Firefox does so every few weeks.
Re:Thunderbird’s New Home by jcranmer on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @03:54PM (#22173925)
That's not quite accurate. Thunderbird develops its software with the tip-of-trunk Firefox code at all times. It only makes releases much less frequently than Firefox.
Re:Thunderbird’s New Home by adrianmalacoda on Wednesday January 29, 2020 @01:54PM (#22184418)
It was XBL (XML Binding Language)[0] that was removed, not XUL - which is being phased out and replaced with HTML where appropriate.

0: https://briangrinstead.com/blog/xbl-in-firefox/