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Re:The Fed Has Bought 70% of Net Treasury Issuance Since Oct... by echelon on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @11:46AM (#22171087)
How does this get corrected? Do investments wind up losing all of the gains, or do those who didn't have an opportunity to participate get left out and the value of their holdings diminished?
Re:The Fed Has Bought 70% of Net Treasury Issuance Since Oct... by Bartweiss on Friday January 31, 2020 @04:56PM (#22206273)
There's some debate down-comments about whether this specific policy is quantitative easing, but we can go back to a broader view.

In 2019, the US government spent about $400B on debt interest payments. The overall money supply (M2) grew by $900B, about 6.2%. Constant-dollar GDP growth is ~2.3%, and inflation is ~2.9% so that's about $145B of paper monetary growth not backed by assets or general decline in purchasing power. (Sorta. Maybe. The US can implicitly share in growth not reflected in GDP, which complicates all of this immensely.) Assuming that's fair shorthand, how do we make up the gap? In 2008, the paper 'value' of a whole bunch of physical assets (homes) diminished, closing the difference at the expense of homeowners and investors (and the USG).

We could see something like that again: private equity and credit card debt look like plausible options, and student loan debt may be "nondischargeable" but that doesn't stop people from defaulting or dying indebted. The USG could theoretically fail to pay its debts in full; that would only require a Greece-style 'haircut' rather than an outright default, but it's still basically out of the question. If investors arrange to not lose the full debt, various rearrangements (bailout + taxes, diminished public services, bankrupt pensions, etc.) could make up the difference by passing the damage to non-investors. Perhaps we could see a major US bond shareholder wiped out without transfer of the debt? I'm not actually sure what happens to those bonds when the bondholders are embargoed or cease to exist in sufficiently-unstable situations. Fascinatingly, a student loan collapse could be partially covered by university bankruptcies: since the value of a degree greatly exceeds the summed value of four years of courses, students are functionally investors betting on the continued existence of their school. (As ITT Tech students found out to their detriment.)

Or, of course, we could see inflation and value growth outpace M2 growth a few times and cancel it all out without any dramatic shift. People aren't in a hurry to call this in, and offsetting it doesn't even require the US to run a surplus.

Re:The Fed Has Bought 70% of Net Treasury Issuance Since Oct... by seibelj on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @11:52AM (#22171155)
An extremely controversial topic! If you are middle class to upper middle class, owning assets to protect from the inflation (stocks, bonds, housing, gold, bitcoin) would be one way.

If you mean unwinding our current loose-money global monetary system of fiat currencies, I'm not sure that genie can or will ever go back into the bottle. Let's hope the next recession is gentle.

Re:The Fed Has Bought 70% of Net Treasury Issuance Since Oct... by jsjohnst on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @01:06PM (#22172172)
> Let's hope the next recession is gentle.

On one hand I agree with you completely, on the other hand a very hard painful reset is kinda needed too. I really hope it doesn’t come to the later, but I’m not sure we can avoid it long term.

Re:The Fed Has Bought 70% of Net Treasury Issuance Since Oct... by SpicyLemonZest on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @11:55AM (#22171189)
I think you may be misunderstanding. It's a market-wide effect; there's no specific set of people who had an "opportunity to participate".
Re:The Fed Has Bought 70% of Net Treasury Issuance Since Oct... by appleflaxen on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @12:44PM (#22171818)
the fed has an opportunity to participate. it is a private entity, and not part of the federal government.

mind blowing? yes.

but if you are not part of the fed, then you are absolutely being denied the opportunity to benefit from printing more fiat.

Re:The Fed Has Bought 70% of Net Treasury Issuance Since Oct... by Pyxl101 on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @01:30PM (#22172499)
The Federal Reserve is not a private corporation. It is an agency of the United States government, which was established by an act of congress: https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_14986.htm

> The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone. The Federal Reserve was created in 1913 by the Federal Reserve Act to serve as the nation's central bank. The Board of Governors in Washington, D.C., is an agency of the federal government and reports to and is directly accountable to the Congress.

Regional federal reserve banks are also not private corporations, although their organization structure shares some features in common with them. Member banks that participate in the federal reserve system, on the other hand, are typical companies.

Re:The Fed Has Bought 70% of Net Treasury Issuance Since Oct... by SpicyLemonZest on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @01:01PM (#22172095)
The Federal Reserve is a private entity in the same sense as the Postal Service. They're not private in the same way as a normal bank; nobody becomes rich just because the Federal Reserve has more assets.
Re:The Fed Has Bought 70% of Net Treasury Issuance Since Oct... by dustingetz on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @11:51AM (#22171136)
macro voices podcast has interviews about this frequently ... the answer is we don’t know but could be a 40 year recession, could be a financial crisis, could be a world war & collapse of countries. Today this aligns with income inequality ... stock market up 4x since 2008, home prices way up, poor people get none of those windfalls