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Re:Scotland to use 100% renewables on time to host 2020 clim... by mcjiggerlog on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @03:56AM (#22167654)
This is somewhat misleading - it appears to be offsetting energy exported when there's particularly good conditions for renewables against times when there's not. In reality they are still both burning some fossil fuels and importing energy from countries that are burning fossil fuels. What really should matter is the carbon intensity of both electricity production and consumption.

In terms of hard numbers for Scotland, their carbon intensity is 59 gCO2/KWh (https://www.carbonintensity.org.uk/), which is actually pretty great. You can compare against other countries here - https://www.electricitymap.org. Here's the current breakdown of their electricity production:

Wind: 36.5%

Nuclear: 31.1%

Hydro: 16.7%

Gas: 13.5%

Biomass: 1.4%

So right now they are 52.2% renewable energy. Presuming they are running renewables to capacity, this low carbon intensity figure is actually being kept low due to the fact they are sourcing a third of their load from nuclear. Should the Scottish government phase out nuclear as they are currently planning (https://www.gov.scot/policies/nuclear-energy/), then we can expect this carbon intensity to rise as gas is used to pick up the base load when conditions for renewables aren't favourable.

Re:Scotland to use 100% renewables on time to host 2020 clim... by gtk40 on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @10:52AM (#22170452)
I can't figure out which numbers you added to get 52.2% renewable. I would say wind, hydro, and biomass are renewable, with the possible addition of nuclear. Even just wind and hydro add up to (slightly) more.
Re:Scotland to use 100% renewables on time to host 2020 clim... by mcjiggerlog on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @10:54AM (#22170479)
It was a typo, it was 53.2% for wind + hydro. Biomass I refuse to count as it is absolutely awful for the environment. Nuclear is not technically renewable either.

Regardless, I agree that getting fixated on the "renewable" label is not particularly productive. What matters is "zero-carbon".

Re:Scotland to use 100% renewables on time to host 2020 clim... by ZeroGravitas on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @11:00AM (#22170542)
Biomass can cover a range of technologies, some of which are greener than others e.g. if you capture methane from landfills or anaerobic digestion of organic waste then the absolute best thing to do would be to turn it into chemical feedstocks, but burning it for energy is definitely better than just letting it rot and escape into the atmosphere while also burning using fossil methane gas
Re:Scotland to use 100% renewables on time to host 2020 clim... by manfredo on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @12:54PM (#22171969)
Nuclear is renewable through seawater extraction: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2016/07/01/uranium-s...

If we want to get pedantic, there's a finite amount of fissile material. But then again solar isn't technically renewable either, since there's a finite amount of hydrogen in the sun.

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Re:Scotland to use 100% renewables on time to host 2020 clim... by samcday on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @05:34AM (#22168092)
As an Australian pulling my hair out about our domestic policies w.r.t to fossil fuel exports / consumption, let me just say I would take token gestures and virtue signalling over total ignorance, passivity and inaction, any day of the week.
Re:Scotland to use 100% renewables on time to host 2020 clim... by Angostura on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:31AM (#22168741)
I don't think anyone would disagree that wealthy European countries are privileged, or that they should do more. But there is actual, tangible progress being made here. To maintain the hard-line cynical view is in itself a form of 'virtue signalling'.
Re:Scotland to use 100% renewables on time to host 2020 clim... by chimprich on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @06:51AM (#22168504)
> But did you know that the money in the trillion dollar sovereign wealth fund all came from the oil they sold?

I think it's a positive thing that one of the world's largest oil producers is moving away from fossil fuels and that they're being vocal about it.

We could do with more virtue from leading countries, and signalling about it.

Re:Scotland to use 100% renewables on time to host 2020 clim... by hannob on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @09:05AM (#22169429)
> I think it's a positive thing that one of the world's largest oil producers is moving away from fossil fuels and that they're being vocal about it.

That would be a positive thing indeed. However from all I can tell this is not at all what's happening: https://www.climateliabilitynews.org/2019/11/14/norway-oil-c... https://www.offshore-mag.com/regional-reports/article/140747... https://bellona.org/news/fossil-fuels/2018-01-norways-new-oi...

Re:Scotland to use 100% renewables on time to host 2020 clim... by Ntrails on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @09:04AM (#22169419)
> One of the world's largest oil producers is moving away from fossil fuels

I mean, afaik, they're not moving away from generating oil and selling it. Arguably given the SWF is based on oil production/extraction revenues the obvious conclusion is that they were over exposed and this dis-investment is more like sensible diversification.

But maybe that's just cynicism

Re:Scotland to use 100% renewables on time to host 2020 clim... by lhopki01 on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @10:32AM (#22170281)
They're not moving away. They've just opened up a new field.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/19/business/norway-oil-field-cli...

Re:Scotland to use 100% renewables on time to host 2020 clim... by fredthomsen on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @07:37AM (#22168782)
Agreed. All countries want to be seen as leaders, and this can nudge them in the right direction.
Re:Scotland to use 100% renewables on time to host 2020 clim... by v77 on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @05:36AM (#22168098)
I think this is a great achievement by Scotland but I agree with your general point. I was disappointed to see that the NY Times great series on EU farm subsidies and their massive environmental cost got no traction here but negative news about the EU doesn't seem to get much of an audience.