Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles

Re:Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles by burgerbrain on Monday February 14, 2011 @02:25AM (#2215792)

The damage is already done. "I'm sorry (but I was still right!)" is the kind of apology I would expect to hear from a child. If you're sorry, then make it right and undo the harm that you did. Otherwise, just shut-up, you're not sincere.

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Re:Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles by nicelios on Monday February 14, 2011 @02:34AM (#2215811)

He didn't say he was sorry. He just said he will stop.

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Re:Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles by burgerbrain on Monday February 14, 2011 @02:36AM (#2215819)

Exactly my point. He's sorry that he got called out, nothing more.

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Re:Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles by parfe on Monday February 14, 2011 @01:27PM (#2217890)

He didn't get called out. He got harassed excessively. People with no interest in a language they've never heard of suddenly began venting irrational rage at a guy for suggesting that a language article might not be notable.

The solution to a wiki page being marked AfD is to improve the article with useful citations or discuss why the current citations are enough to verify the article.

It's not to stalk both online and offline the person who suggested a discussion should be had on the notability of a topic.

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Re:Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles by j_baker on Monday February 14, 2011 @02:43AM (#2215831)

So? Isn't the most important thing that he's stopping?

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Re:Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles by copper on Monday February 14, 2011 @03:03AM (#2215874)

The important thing would be restoring the articles. As far as I can see, that isn't happening (yet).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_(programming_language) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemerle

I might just be seeing a cached version, though.

edit: grr, I cannot reply to you, but yes, that was my point exactly: he could request a deletion review.

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Re:Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles by j_baker on Monday February 14, 2011 @03:14AM (#2215899)

Chris is just another Wikipedian though. He has the same ability to undo the changes as you do.

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Re:Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles by rst on Monday February 14, 2011 @10:01AM (#2216946)

He's not "just another Wikipedian", he's the particular Wikipedian that made this mess. So he has a particular responsibility to clean it up.

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Re:Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles by j_baker on Monday February 14, 2011 @02:18PM (#2218146)

Ahem... Let me rephrase my above comment. Anything Chris can do, you can do. Perhaps rather than complaining about who "should" clean it up, you can actually do it yourself?

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Re:Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles by burgerbrain on Monday February 14, 2011 @02:45AM (#2215835)

I repeat myself, but: "The damage is already done."

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Re:Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles by j_baker on Monday February 14, 2011 @02:54AM (#2215852)

You're not interested in an apology... You don't care that he stopped.

What exactly do you want from him then?

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Re:Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles by burgerbrain on Monday February 14, 2011 @02:57AM (#2215860)

I am interested in an apology. He has not given one, despite this so called "reversal".

A sincere apology would involve 1) apologizing/admitting wrong-doing and 2) undoing the damage. I could certainly settle for only the second.

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Re:Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles by carussell on Monday February 14, 2011 @03:35AM (#2215948)

Re your 2: it's not really up to Monsanto to restore the deleted articles. It's not his call, and if it went through Afd once, to recreate the articles would be to see them get redeleted.

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Re:Christopher Monsanto gives up trying to delete PL articles by intended on Monday February 14, 2011 @05:04AM (#2216170)

But why would he apologize? He sees himself as following the letter of the law, and points out that if this is an issue, change the law.

Honestly this sounds like 2 things - A cry of help from Wikipedia stating they need concerted outside help/force to fix something they can see is broken/can be improved

A lawyer saying that its not his fault the rules are what they are.

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