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Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by vardump on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:33PM (#22148131)
> An In-P microprocessor as complex as a 6502 should be able to clock upwards of 80 GHz and could run with a fully populated address space of static RAM on the chip and be able to react to fast events in real time like nothing else.

> Such a chip would replace 16 5GHz cores for more mainstream computation,...

80 GHz 6502 would be about as fast as... 1 GHz x86 in integer operations, and even that is being generous.

Floating point would be several orders of magnitude worse than even that.

Typical X86 can do 64 8-bit SIMD operations per clock, 2x AVX2 instructions retired in a single clock cycle. At over 4 GHz.

But it'd sure be a beast in real-time applications... assuming signal integrity is a solvable problem.

Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by Dylan16807 on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:46PM (#22148220)
> But it'd sure be a beast in real-time applications... assuming signal integrity is a solvable problem.

I'd be skeptical about whether it beats an FPGA.

Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by monocasa on Saturday January 25, 2020 @03:22PM (#22148415)
The idea is pretty closely correlated to the really high end cadence style hardware emulators. Those tend to be made out of a sea of tiny ascetic processors that only know logic ops rather than LUTs, AFAIK.

So it would seem they beat FPGAs in some niches.

I question the 80ghz number given by the grandparent though. Looking at visual 6502 you're not going to get a order of better magnitude fanout on that design.

Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by Dylan16807 on Saturday January 25, 2020 @05:27PM (#22149001)
> Looking at visual 6502 you're not going to get a order of better magnitude fanout on that design.

Better fanout than what?

The most useful thing I could find was this old article, but it certainly suggests that the room is there to expand: https://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/materials/indium-ph...

Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by vardump on Saturday January 25, 2020 @03:09PM (#22148347)
Agreed, FPGA would be my go-to solution as well. Although FPGAs certainly can't touch gigahertz+ range yet. Even 500 MHz is... challenging.
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by LargoLasskhyfv on Sunday January 26, 2020 @12:31PM (#22153335)
There has been the Achronix Speedster 22i HP(high performance), which was said to reach 1Ghz, produced by Intel at 22nm. That is now out of production, it seems.

I am angry for not having bought at least the 22i HD(high density) development kit, when it was available for 999USD for a time. But the software license was only valid for a year, so no-go.

They now offer embeddable FPGA IP cores targetting 750Mhz on TSMCs 7,12&16nm process.

And 'normal' FPGAs, the Speedster 7t, manufactured by TSMC at 7nm, also 750Mhz fmax.

All rather expensive and out of reach for the hobbyist :-(

Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by Dylan16807 on Saturday January 25, 2020 @05:19PM (#22148969)
> Although FPGAs certainly can't touch gigahertz+ range yet. Even 500 MHz is... challenging.

It's a relative difference though, that depends on what material you're building the circuit in. If you can build an FPGA to run at 1/10th the speed of a 6502, then with a sufficiently expensive process you get a tradeoff between a very weak 80GHz processor and a customizable 8GHz circuit.