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Re:An Ethical Future for Brain Organoids Takes Shape? by lonelappde on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:23PM (#22141550)
How does anyone know if their naturally produced neural nets are self aware?
Re:An Ethical Future for Brain Organoids Takes Shape? by shadowgovt on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:29PM (#22141619)
By definition, one can always know their own naturally-produced neural net is self aware (cogito, ergo sum). The open question for solipsists is whether, should someone report to you their neural net is also self-aware, you should believe them.
Re:An Ethical Future for Brain Organoids Takes Shape? by 0_gravitas on Friday January 24, 2020 @07:26PM (#22143644)
but how can we be sure that the cogito part is actually happening? this immediately (d)evolves into a purely ontological discussion
Re:An Ethical Future for Brain Organoids Takes Shape? by shadowgovt on Friday January 24, 2020 @07:48PM (#22143803)
Personal experience. We perceive a continuity of experiences, memory, and the difference between that and slumber or becoming insensate, and we call the experience "consciousness" and our knowledge of that "self-awareness." It is definitional; the word descends from the experience, not the other way around.
Re:An Ethical Future for Brain Organoids Takes Shape? by 0_gravitas on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @08:28PM (#22176232)
Perhaps we need to synchronize our definitions of "experience", "perception", "personal", and "knowledge", because your very words are almost exactly what I would say in counter to your point.