Re:An Ethical Future for Brain Organoids Takes Shape?
by dropoutcoder on Friday January 24, 2020 @01:47PM
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How is there an ethical future when we don’t yet understand the hard problem of consciousness? How does one know if their manufactured neural net is self aware?
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Re:An Ethical Future for Brain Organoids Takes Shape?
by laurex on Saturday January 25, 2020 @09:45AM
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We hold consciousness to be a marker of "something worthy of ethics" but it's a bit of a species solipsism. Consciousness is a biological process or effect. Why is it more important than other biological processes or effects? Well, because we're humans with "consciousness" and we think so.
To me, consciousness is likely to be explained as an emergent phenomenon allowing humans to collaborate, rather than something that is more akin to the "soul" or "self" that is often ascribed. To my mind, ethics, if we can separate that concept from other emergent phenomena, should be applied more holistically than just to things we believe are conscious.
Re:An Ethical Future for Brain Organoids Takes Shape?
by lonelappde on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:23PM
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How does anyone know if their naturally produced neural nets are self aware?
Re:An Ethical Future for Brain Organoids Takes Shape?
by shadowgovt on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:29PM
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By definition, one can always know their own naturally-produced neural net is self aware (cogito, ergo sum). The open question for solipsists is whether, should someone report to you their neural net is also self-aware, you should believe them.
Re:An Ethical Future for Brain Organoids Takes Shape?
by 0_gravitas on Friday January 24, 2020 @07:26PM
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but how can we be sure that the cogito part is actually happening? this immediately (d)evolves into a purely ontological discussion
Re:An Ethical Future for Brain Organoids Takes Shape?
by shadowgovt on Friday January 24, 2020 @07:48PM
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Personal experience. We perceive a continuity of experiences, memory, and the difference between that and slumber or becoming insensate, and we call the experience "consciousness" and our knowledge of that "self-awareness." It is definitional; the word descends from the experience, not the other way around.
Re:An Ethical Future for Brain Organoids Takes Shape?
by 0_gravitas on Tuesday January 28, 2020 @08:28PM
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Perhaps we need to synchronize our definitions of "experience", "perception", "personal", and "knowledge", because your very words are almost exactly what I would say in counter to your point.